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mushtare da man..
« on: February 02, 2006, 01:23:21 PM »
the wonder boy took high honors this week firing an 852
do not know if this was a "pre-bowl".
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2006, 12:22:28 PM »
They've been made on this site before.  The mechanic has been known to throw pins in order to help people score.  He has shot mutliple 900's with NO WITNESSES.  The second pre-bowl 900 was conveniantly thrown just days before the USBC announced that they weren't going to recognize the first one due to improper sanctioning paperwork.  I'm not going to recreate the dozens of discussions by people in the know over on Bowl.com.
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2006, 12:35:03 PM »
The mechanic at this center where Mustare threw the 900s has been accussed of fraud and it's been proven that he has raised peoples series in the past!??????

Is his name published?  How many other places has he done it?  He's still allowed ot work in the bowling industry?  This has been alleged in these 900s?
How many other series has he admitted to doing this in the past?  Has he admitted to doing that in this case????

I have not heard this allegation before??? It all sounds very vague but I'd like to hear more specifics?

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PS continue...I'm dying to hear all allegations?
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2006, 12:42:17 PM »
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LL, the problem is this.  We have a kid here who claims he won the Powerball lottery 4 times; but twice he had the numbers and didn't buy the ticket, once he had a ticket but the lottery commission said it wasn't valid, and he's waiting for the 4th time to be declared a winner.  And it's actually easier to win the Powerball than it is to shoot 900.

I wouldn't care if he's the combined reincarnation of the top ten bowlers in history, physics and probability say multiple 900's are effectively impossible.


good explanation, i agree 100%, 4 900s is IMPOSSIBLE especially in the span of under a year
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2006, 01:03:36 PM »
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 I have heard the statistics....If I was a person who believed in statistics...if Tiger woods was a person who believed in statistics...I would not have accomplished the several little crazy things I've accomplished in sports and neither would Tiger Woods have accomplished the almost weekly impossible things he seems to keep on doing!  Neither would have Arnold Palmer...or Jack Nicklaus these guys if they believed in statistics would have reverted to their mean level of play everytime they were in contention...instead they skied when faced with the chance of accomplishment..everytime...no ....but many many times.  These people of accomplishment...defy!!  statistics!


LL, that's the whole point here.  What this kid claims to have accomplished has NEVER been accomplished by ANYBODY in ANY SPORT!  A rough equivalent to shooting a 900 would be winning a golf tournament and never shooting more than 62 in ANY round! Now do that 4 times in as many months. Jack, Arnie and Tiger haven't done that. They haven't even been close.
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2006, 01:16:36 PM »
Johnny Miller shot 61 twice in event over 20 years ago!

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Luckylefty
PS again statistices don't mean much in setting new records.
Only those who don't set new records rely on them!
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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2006, 02:12:26 PM »
But probability does.
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LuckyLefty

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2006, 09:28:06 AM »
Exactly my point...probability doesn't mean much to those who set records!

Only to those who don't.  Which side do you prefer to be on...?  The record settors or the doubters!?

This is the whole point of most of my posts here on this subject...it is people's thinking that gives them the chance to do something like Robert Mushtare has...combined wiht physical ability!

Point in fact...Tiger Woods just went 13 -1 in pro playoffs yesterday!

Probability means nothing to him!

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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2006, 09:30:59 AM »
No matter how much you believe you can float in the air, the moment you step off a building probability says you're hitting the ground.
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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2006, 11:51:44 AM »
What I'm trying to do for you and the other naysayers is this!

All outstanding performances...defy probablilities.  Anymore they are often so far above the averages of probability that they defy description.  And yet people do them...they soar above their average performance.

I've had these out of body hyper performances.. just a few...I expect them and when they start happening...I just let them and I don't interfere!  It is one of the greatest thrills in life!  

Superconsistent winners like Tiger Woods, and Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer in his day had a way of performing better under pressure than their averages!  Defying probablilities...over and over and over!

As we all know the human body can do this.  Statistics...probabilities say teh US olympic team of 1980 should not even have made the top 8 probably.  Instead they had 3 improbable wins to win the gold medal.

I'm telling all...since there are no real valid claims of Mr. Mushtare cheating that I have heard of....  Revel in his accomplishment....drink it in...Picture it as your own....Picture you doing the same thing.

Picture continuing to throw strikes to number 43(1 more than Tony Rovitini)...Picture being nervous doing it!  Picture them handing you a check for $40,000...picture gulping and sweating before that 36th shot...picture letting it flow and letting it happen and throwing that 36th strike...picture making your most difficult spare for $40,000 in the 10th shaking all the way!

Watch youself in that movie right before you go to bed.... Do it for 40 days and picture it again when you wake up!

Then when that hot day comes...step aside...let it happen become part of the movie you've already created watch yourself in the movie you've already creeated doing everything you've already expected...go neither forward or back in time....You've been waiting for this to happen remember!?

Now you just experienced what Jack Nicklaus did for a career what Arnold Palmer and now Tiger Woods have done for a decade....what the US hockey team of 1980 wants you to know!  And even Luckylefty has tasted of this dizzying elixer called forget the probablilities and do everything your body is capable of about 4 times!  UmmmmmmUmmmmm!  I'll drink to that again!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS RObert Mustare has inspired me...I feel another one coming on...not today...not tomorrow...but in the not to distant future when I least expect it!
I plan on being there getting out of my own way....and letting it happen!
Jump on the wonderful ship called accomplishment the ride is SO FINE!
I don't know why I don't ride it more often myself!
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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2006, 12:36:33 PM »
But when those people defied probability they had witnesses.
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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2006, 12:41:47 PM »
LL, I agree with you to a point.  There is something to visualization, and if you want to be Tony Robbins about everything, that's fine.  I never go to the line without thinking that every shot will be my best, and I usually don't expect to use my spare ball for the night.

But Mushtare is not the poster child for that philosophy. By claiming to shoot 4 900's, he has tarnished any belief he shot 1. Because of that, he's a fake until proven otherwise.  What he claims to have done has not been done by ANYONE in ANY SPORT, EVER! Machines haven't even done it.

BTW, the 900 you referred to above was Darren Pomije from New Prague, MN. on 12/09/04 and he shot it in league with lots of witnesses.  That's no problem. The ABC even validated the 900 on the next day.  Compare that turnaround with what's going on with Mushtare.
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LuckyLefty

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2006, 11:43:05 PM »
That is not all that I'm talkin about!

I heard there were witnesses to the second 900.
Clearly witnesses to the 852.

Also....I'm frankly surprised it has not been done more...
BUT  people tighten up...  Saw one tonight.
Guy throwing perfectly...tightened up....chest looked tight...armswing different...gasping for breath.

Of course if all he did was visualize the shot right there of course he would be tight.

BUT if instead he had prepared for accomplishment...or winning by running vivid images in his mind before sleep...to stimulate dreams of the same thing.
Psychopsybernetics tell us that the brain cannot distinguish between vivid images created in and for the mind and real events....That the brain then like a computer replays these stored images and if they are of success it then believes they are just as true as if they had happened.

Some say one can't bowl under the stress of going for a championship unless you has gotten their before!  One can't bowl for a 300 unless you've threatened several times!!!!  Hogwash to all!  Instead one can mentally create these detailed "movie" images in the brain....over and over and over off the lanes...before bed and in the morning before rising!  Convincing the mind that it has experienced "THIS" before and previewing and creating a Database of coming through in these situations....Often dramatically above the performers "Average" or "Probability".

The body is now NOT SURPRISED and the typical gasping for air and stained look on the face does not have to become a part of trying to win!

Ready to set personal records?  Ready to win?  Have you mentally trained to set records when the hot days come?  Have you mentally trained to win!  Are you ready to accept your hot days!

Everyday I see examples of people...organizations getting in their own way!
Getting in the way of their accomplishment..."I can't do this...I've been bowling above average for 2 days??"!"!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS for whatever reasone....I believe from hearing him speak this young man was "ready" to set some records!
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LuckyLefty

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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2006, 11:25:05 AM »
Immaterial to whether he bowled a 900 or two or 4!

Whether Walter Ray can beat him on a sport shot...or you can or Hose can.

No bearing on whether he bowled 900!

I bet you his Dad would accept your $500 dollar offer at his home house per game.

Call him up...the town is on mapquest....Carthage NY!  It would be worth a trip to try to pluck his feathers...let me know ...I might travel to watch.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2006, 12:12:44 PM »
Lucky,
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I bet you his Dad would accept your $500 dollar offer at his home house per game.
This would probably be a great idea to really do, and be a profitable business, to action bowl anyone who wants to bowl. With all the negative publicity this kid has received, I'm sure there's a bunch of bowlers who would want to TRY and show him up, meaning business would be there for him.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet he'd come out on top in his home house over the long run. What do you guys think..? =:^D
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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2006, 12:18:45 PM »
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If I were a betting man, I'd bet he'd come out on top in his home house over the long run. What do you guys think..? =:^D


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