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yoder978

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my comments on the usbc.
« on: May 05, 2005, 11:15:42 AM »
i think the usbc is a good general idea first of all.  but it has come in and tried to make too many changes.  this is upsetting the customer base (the bowler).  bowling like everything else in the world is a business and when the customer is not pleased they will look elsewhere.  where they will look will be unknown for now.  my personal opinion with what might happen if the usbc continues to frustrate bowlers is that it will go down hill.  when a customer is unhappy they switch to a different company therefor i believe that another governing body in bowling might be created and that leagues and tournaments might be governed by a new body thus running the usbc out of power.  basically what is happening is that the usbc to me appears to be a monopoly.  and now that it is monopolized it can control whatever it may like whether it is good or bad.  bowling is already losing people every year as is and if the usbc keeps making changes they are just going to lose more.  changes in bowling should be made don't get me wrong but they are going about it the wrong way.  first if they wanted to make scores tougher then change the legal "shot".  if they toughen up the house shot and make it more difficult that will bring the scores down.  by creating all sorts of new ball limits that limits ball manufacturers therefor taking away from there profitability.  yes i understand that as of right now most of the changes are just at the proposal stage but if they go into affect then the bowling world could slide farther down hill.

 

ddfitch

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Re: my comments on the usbc.
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2005, 03:08:10 AM »
after reading about the USBC suggestions I checked all my equipment and the CG is in the palm of all of my stuff.  I don't have anything with a balance hole in my bag.  I throw an x-factor, an x-factor reloaded and mostly a barbed wire.  all drilled the same, pin above ring finger, CG in the palm and on the x-factors, RAD just right of the thumbhole.  barbed wire is what I throw mostly and carried 240 for the last month.  you are right you must stay more accurate and it seems to me that you need to stay behind that ball a little more as opposed to trying to rip the cover off the ball.  I finished the year at 225 without anything special in my bag and am planning on replacing my arsenal at the end of the summer after USBC makes up their mind.  I don't see why everyone is getting all bent out of shape over their new rules.  I think it would level out the playing field.  There are too many 200-210 bowlers out their that have purchased their averages as opposed to working for them.  With all the super hook monsters and exotic coverstock and special drilling patterns out there, it is too easy to get a ball that will hook 20 boards on a THS and give everyone 3-8 board area in which to throw the ball.  Most average house bowlers go out and get an expensive piece that was meant for heavily oiled sport shot and bring it to the THS and cover the entire right side of the lane and think they are rev masters.  You'll see a lot of these guys throw a 258 followed by a 158 because they don't know how to bowl.  new rules will force people to learn to bowl and make it a better more respected sport.  it will place the emphasis on shot makeing as opposed to picking the correct rock standing left and throwing right.  Adding a couple of units of oil on the THS or more oil outside would help too as would longer patterns.  There are a LOT of things that USBC could do and they seem to be going about this the right way.  They are haveing meetings with reps from ball manufacturers to get their input.  Let's wait and see what happens though before we all go chuck equipment into the dumptster and give up on the sport because we can't drill a ball to hook 30 boards.  I'm sure that a few people will quit the sport if the changes go into effect, but the sport will also attract new competitors with a newfound respect for the game so it will be a wash.  I'm looking forward to it, but let's wait and see what happens....

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Re: my comments on the usbc.
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 01:19:20 AM »
wouldn't you think that with the newer equipment we would start seeing right hand/left hand specific equipment on the higher end (assymetric) bowling balls?  That might help to keep the cost down somewhat.  I saw a vertigo tonight owned by a righthander that because of the rad placement should have been a lefty ball.  he had it drilled pin above ring finger, rad near the thumb hole, 2 inch deep balance hole on the PAP and his CG was less than a quarter inch from the balance hole..  I took one look at that and said that's exactly what USBC is trying to ban.  This bowler just doesn't have the hand to cover the boards he wants to cover so he spends a few hundred bucks and get an exotic drill and he is off to average 210.  Then wonders why he leaves so many 10's with it.  I watched him throw a couple of shots and it was obvious that the ball was rolling out early and not having any power at the pindeck.  I told him I couldn't even drill that ball for me cause of the lineup of the pin, the CG and the RAD.  I guess that I'll have to be very picky when selecting my new equipment.  I'll have to have a few meetings with my pro-shop guy before I start spending some money.  My biggest concern at this point is the label idea.  I just want to make sure that if I get something now and it doesn't have the new usbc label on it, will I be able to use it after 1/1/08.

TWOHAND834

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Re: my comments on the usbc.
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2005, 01:46:25 AM »
Here is the thing, though.  If you get a ball drilled before 1/1/06, you can still use that ball until 1/1/08.  How many bowlers keep using balls for that long anyways for one?  Secondly, who is to say that something comes along and the rules are changed all over again before 1/1/08?  I would not just stop making ball purchases over this proposal just because most of your competitive bowlers only keep a ball for a year or so anyway and then get rid of that and purchase something else.  Think of it this way........go ahead and buy what you want to use instead of what USBC wants you to use, because you get to continue using the ball(s) for 2 more years anyway.  By that time, those balls purchased now are old news and by 2008, if this proposal does go into affect, ball companies and pro shop personnel will work together to make the best of the situation and find a way to give bowlers what they need under the new specs set forth by USBC.  Afetr all, it is just a proposal for now.  No need to get rattled just yet.  Just continue with what you are doing.
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ddfitch

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Re: my comments on the usbc.
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2005, 04:37:57 AM »
you make a good point about not waiting around.  This actually is the first season that I didn't get a new rock all year.  To make up for it I'm replacing my entire arsenal this summer to make the move to 15# equipment.  anyway I'm going to buy 5-6 new rocks and I'm curious to wait and see what the usbc decides.  I end up selling these off when I'm board with them and I can't sell something that won't be useable in sanctioned play.  Not to mention that I'm getting ready to go on vacation and if I make a big purchase now, the wife will have my balls in a sling and I don't mean my bowling equipment if ya catch my drift.  USBC will make up their mind soon enough and I just don't like spending large sums of money so that works well for me to take the wait and see approach.  Not overly concerned with it either way, although I think it would be good for the game as a whole and will force ball companies to produce a better product as you won't have as many drilling options to compensate for mistakes...

CoachJim

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Re: my comments on the usbc.
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2005, 07:13:35 AM »
I wonder if this means that they will be checking to see if the marked CG on the ball is the true cg, then stamping it with the USBC seal , then sending it out to the proshops.

One other note, Storm recommends not drilling a ball with a marked mass bias any closer than 2" to the track as drilling the mass bias closer than 2" will not yeild consistant ball reactions. It will be pretty hard to keep within the rules and drill a High End Storm ball unless the mass bias is shifted from in line with the cg and pin.