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BrianCRX90

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new USBC rule about warm up time
« on: January 11, 2008, 03:37:49 PM »
This is an idea I feel the USBC should look into and passing a rule for every sanctioned league out there. It's really a page out of the PBA's rules. I really feel it is possible and would be a good thing. This would be a USBC rule, not a league rule because I would be willing to bet on most diverse handicap leagues people would not go for it.

First thing is regarding warm up time. Brunswick seems to have a rule about the amount of practice time. For whatever reason, the only time your aloud to get 15 minutes of practice is you have to have a 5 man team league. If you have a 4 man league team then you only get 10. If you have a 2 man team you get 10. Makes 0 sense to me. I say USBC has it across the board and make it 15 minutes for any sanctioned league.
The second part of this rule is the amount of balls you are aloud to throw when you are warming up. Every league I have been on, if you get a strike you go to the back of the line or to the other lane. If you get less then a strike you get to go again. Big time delays. From now on, USBC should have a ruling just like the PBA and you get to throw one ball no matter what you leave. The next person is not aloud to recycle. Whatever is up there, you shoot at. What is the point of this? To speed things up. I would like to throw more then 3-4 balls in practice if I'm lucky. With this system, I should be able to throw twice that.


 

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 09:35:03 AM »
I'd just like to get rid of lane courtesy for warm up.  Maybe if people got used to that, they would realize that they don't need 4 lanes during league.  Even more so, many people are WAY too slow and deliberate during warm up.  Some people get up on the lane, stand there, fiddle with 3 different things, and then concentrate on their line like they're going for their first 300 or something.  Nothing like taking 45 seconds of time just to throw one ball that probably won't even find the pocket.  I actually pray that they'll strike every ball of practice so they don't have to go though the entire ritual for the spare as well.  It's practice for goodness sake.  It's for warming up and finding where the oil is.  That's all.  It's the really slow ones who keep others from getting more than two or three shots.

I do agree with some others.  I've never had a league do shadow balls, but it's a great solution.  Throw one ball at whatever you want - pocket, corner pins..., then get off the lane for the next person.  I always shoot at least one 10 and sometimes a 7, but I do what Charlest suggests.  First shot at the 10, second at the pocket.  Or if I leave an 8 pin or something, rather than shoot at that, I'll aim for the 10.

The ones I really want to smack are the ones who want an extra shot.  The first person will leave a few pins and tell the second to either shoot at them or rerack.  The second person shoots the spare, then actually wants to get his entire next frame because he doesn't want to count the shot he cleaned the other person's spare up for.
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2008, 09:51:34 AM »
wow we get 5 minuets for 4 man and 5 for one 5 man lg and one lg gets 10 mins of practice the only time ive gotten more than that is at a tournament somewhere else.
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2008, 10:27:51 AM »
In one of my 3-man leagues, we get 15 minutes. It's too much! I can bowl a full game pretty easily.

IMO, shadow bowling is like practicing basketball without a hoop.







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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2008, 10:45:00 AM »
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You guys must be some slow azz bowlers!
We get 15 mins of practice with 5 man
teams, and there have been nights where
I have thrown almost a whole game in
warmups. Thats with everyone throwing
two balls then switching lanes.  


Same here. By the end of practice there are usually only about three guys left still throwing. Most guys hit their favorite line,see if it works or not,then they go and sit down. I throw balls from the far right, middle, and left, just to see how they compare.
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2008, 10:49:46 AM »
Another loony idea from BrainCRX90.

Bill Thomas

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2008, 10:49:57 AM »
Another loony idea from BrainCRX90.

Dan Belcher

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2008, 12:33:15 PM »
It doesn't matter how much practice time we get, I don't get fully warmed up for about 30 minutes!!!  (And I'm only 23!)  My hand doesn't even fit properly in the ball until practice is done, since my fingers need some time to get swelled up a little.  I do like how my Tuesday night league works though -- it sweeps the pins after the first ball.  If you want to practice a 10 pin, go for it on a full rack if you want.  But this keeps things moving a lot quicker!

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2008, 12:40:56 PM »
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NicholasE,

At 19 you feel like you need no warm up. Good for you. Not everyone is 19. Tell me you need no warm up when you're 45 and then 60. So, as a courtesy to others who do, you can get there 10 minutes later and let the others share the time you would have taken to warm-up.



Well at age 19 I have more problems then you think. Just because I'm young doesn't mean a thing. I have a bad back (crooked spine) with 3 pinched nerves and a bad knee, so its not like I'm some young guy that doesn't need practice because I'm arrogant or whatever. I practice the whole time but I mean, its a THS, why does anyone need practice? Just throw right and let it fly. For the PBA league I like to get a few extra shots in to get comfortable but I don't complain about it. Usually takes me about 2 shots to find a line that works on a sport shot and I just go from there.
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2008, 12:52:14 PM »
One ball on each lane, then let's get down to business! By the way, I agree with Charlest, that I have never seen a league where you converted your spares during practice.

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2008, 01:04:18 PM »
Here in SE Florida, all the leagues in all the houses allow every bowler a complete frame for practice. Some of the really slow older folks really mess it up for everyone else. I'm sure they have no idea.

Places I used to bowl, always used shadow bowling for practice. If you are a reasonably decent bowler you certainly can tell if the ball gets to the pocket or not, and where the oil line is without any pins.

More shots in the time allowed is better than seeing how the pins fall down.

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2008, 01:15:17 PM »
Shadow bowling doesn't tell you how your entry angle is affecting your carry.
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2008, 08:31:02 AM »
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Warm up really is a waste of time, I just like to get my body freed up mostly and can do that in about 2 shots. Once im in free swing and not tense, im good to go.
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Get back to me in about 40 years and let me know if you're still getting warmed up (not lined up) in two shots.

With respect to shadow bowling (no pins) - many pinspotters do not provide the option of shadow bowling.  I.e.  They will not cycle (to return your ball) without setting pins.

On topic - I agree with TP.  This is not a matter in which the USBC should be involved.  If it such a big deal to you, attend your league meeting and propose that a rule (or rule change) be made to address this.
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2008, 08:47:12 AM »
I bowl in 4 seperate houses,
house 1 ten minutes of practice, we do a full frame
house 2 ten minutes of practice, we do a full frame
house 3 6 minutes of practice, we do one ball
house 4 15 minutes of practice, full frame

the house with 15 minutes is way too much, most people are done at ten
house with 6 minutes is rough but, is also my highest average house, why?  cause teh shot doenst get blown apart by 15 minutes of 9 guys trying to find a line with every ball in the bag.  IMHO 10 ie enough, and really shadow balls in my book are the way to go
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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2008, 09:03:40 AM »
When in Rome...just do what the Romans do...everyone gets treated the same.

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Re: new USBC rule about warm up time
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2008, 09:51:17 AM »
Around here, a fixed time for warm-up is common, and teams will line up to fill full frames - I have never seen anything else. After the shot, back to the line, and on a pair of lanes change of lanes after 1 or 2 shots. Trouble is esp. in league that all players, incl. subs, make warm-up shots. This can make the time a little sparse... espcially when a team shows up with 8(!)players, even though only 5 are to play effectively. The only thing different from actual play is that we cut down on lane courtesy - just to speed things up in the warm up phase and to get as many shots as possible out of the 10-15 mins. that are normally at hand.
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