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Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« on: February 21, 2008, 07:18:03 AM »
Just what is Lane 1 trying to get at here?  A guy that dumps the ball has recovery from 5 on the Shark?  Especially dumping it from TWENTY out to five?  At least he put on the video that it was the night after league.  I can't bring myself to watch these videos all the way through.  I thought the Liberator video was dumb . . at least I made it further through this one though.  They're misinforming the people who are still learning, and insulting the intelligence of people that know better.  I had plenty of Lane 1 balls way back when . .  Cherry Bomb, Carbide LRG, Tsunami, Uranium, Uranium Solid, orginal pearl Viper, an Emerald, Blueberry, and a Cranberry.  Guess what?  All good balls . . liked them all.  Not knocking the balls, knocking the presentation.  Compare those videos to Brunswick's videos.  Somebody that knows what they're doing, someone who throws the ball well, they compare it to other balls, let you know what moves they make and where, and if they claim it's a sport pattern, he actually hits the same target more than once.  Go ahead and bash me . . Lane 1 just needs to seriously up the quality and substance of their videos.  Watching those videos makes me want to avoid them like the plague.
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 11:40:45 PM »
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i believe they are unthrown on the pba because they didnt pay the money to be on tour.  would you say that visionary stuff and global 900 stuff is bad just because its not on tour.  i would i like visionary and global stuff and i am not sticking up for lane 1 either i just dont think the if its used on tour thats the only way its good argument really means anything


Lane 1's incentives were as high, if not higher than anyone else's last year.  I know because they were posted in the paddock at the US Open.  The Lane 1 junkies have been brainwashed to think their stuff is "pure" and only thrown by those that truly love them....sorry....but they pay just like everyone else.
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2008, 12:38:26 AM »
We had our Demo Days at the center today.  The Shark was on one pair, it got trashed by mid to later afternoon.  I saw some heavy handed guys going 15-17 to 5-7.  I couldn't generate that angle.  I've bowled on the Shark quite a bit, it was totally FRIED.  

I was thinking of that video while watching a couple of those guys.  With enough games on it, you can hook it form 20-5.

But then again, is it really the shark after all those games?

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2008, 07:34:46 AM »
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You can take almost any pro on tour and they would be able to stand left and hook this ball back with no problem, if not from the get go, after a couple of games, no problem. Get a life and get over the fact that this ball just flat out hooks as much as any ball on the market, if not more..!! =:^D


Never been much into the Lane#1 debates, until I read this. I bowl PBA regionals and bowl other tournaments and to post something like this defies reason. No one and I mean NO ONE can hook any ball 20-5 on a fresh Shark pattern if it is applied correctly. And to insiniuate otherwise is a blatant lie. Lane#1 may feel free to use whatever marketing campaign it likes with it's equipment. But don't come on here and spew this kind of garbage. Lane#1 will lose credibility and in the long run sales because of it.
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2008, 09:24:05 AM »
I sat with a bowler who was practicing last night before league that had two Buzzbombs. He knows I'm the only one in our area that throws Lane #1 equipment. He actually wears a Buzzsaw shirt once in a while, but I had never seen him throw a ball from Lane #1 until last night.

He said he got them for 130$ a piece since he holds a PBA card I guess, but I digress..

He was really excited to show them to me and when I got a chance to watch him throw, it was on a lane with some carry down on the end of the center.

He said his Total NV was outhooking it. One BB was drilled strong and sanded, the other was polished. So I watched him throw the BB for a game and he shot 247 on toasted lanes, not bad. The next game he threw a mix of the NV, a Lanemasters ball that I didn't get a close look at, and his BB. The BB hooked the least, heh =\ It rolled smooth anyway.


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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 10:23:30 AM »
This entire thread is filled with distortions from posters who don't appear to really have watched the video. The following from Jorge300's post above is an example, and one of the reasons accurate discussions on this board more often than not go nowhere:

 
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I bowl PBA regionals and bowl other tournaments and to post something like this defies reason. No one and I mean NO ONE can hook any ball 20-5 on a fresh Shark pattern if it is applied correctly. And to insinuate otherwise is a blatant lie. Lane#1 may feel free to use whatever marketing campaign it likes with it's equipment. But don't come on here and spew this kind of garbage. Lane#1 will lose credibility and in the long run sales because of it.
 


Where was it ever stated or implied in the video that it was a 'fresh Shark pattern'? The video actually clearly states the following before showing the shots:

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"The following video was shot the next morning after league on the PBA Shark Pattern. The pattern was blown to bits"


And anyone who has bowled the Shark pattern on an older surface in a PBA experience league knows how quickly things can break down. Especially with 200 average THS amateurs burning up the outsides trying to create angle to the pocket.

What Mike showed was not only possible, but probable given the conditions he outlined. Watch the video, read the disclaimers, and evaluate it in context. There is nothing dishonest going on here other than certain posters taking cheap shots.

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2008, 11:02:43 AM »
Ok, in response to both your posts.  Every ball Mike does a video for, he plays different lines with.  They all react the same.  He throws them outside, they all start revving at 35 feet, and sometimes pull up from spots where balls should roll out.  I don't know what that ball will do for me simply because I don't know the oil volume on the lane, and because he never compares different balls.  If he would compare new balls to old ones that I might own, that would help to see how much more or how much less it hooks than what I already own so that I don't get overlap.  The Buzzbomb is also such an aggressive ball that it may appear not to hook for people who get it and are expecting a hook monster if they use it when there isn't enough oil, as it will be burning up like crazy.  My Blast Zone is outhooked by just about everything else I have, but that's because it burns up just about everywhere in town, but I know that.  I get some head oil, and it outhooks everything I have by quite a bit.  

There's not a whole lot of information to be had in Lane 1 videos, despite what you say.  Now . . he did put a lot of disclaimers on this one, good idea.  Any good video features comparisons.  If he can slow hook every ball, what's the point in having them all?  It would have done a lot more to have a fresh Shark pattern out and show it against say a Supernova and a G-Force Evolution.  The videos aren't consistent with how they're being marketed.  One's supposed to hook, one's urethane, one's skid/snap, but they all look the same in the videos.  

Yes, I was paying attention when he said it was burnt up, look at my third sentence in the original post.  What purpose does that serve?  My Vapor Zone hooks when the shot is burnt up too.  

Ok, Steven, let me say this.  The video was going good . . he had the disclaimers on there, and I'm not knocking his shots on the house shot, I actually have nothing bad to say about that.  It's just that why on earth would he get onto the Shark after it was burnt up?  As you pointed out, some people will miss the fact that the shot is burnt up, and the ball will have no chance of doing that on a fresh shot, and then when they get it, they'll complain that it's not hooking, like one guy that has a post in the Lane 1 forum right now.  I'll guarantee the ball is burning up, and I'll argue that point too.  No ball will hook 20-5 on a fresh Shark pattern, and a hook monster isn't meant to be thrown on a low volume pattern.  I used to work in a pro shop, and I got stuff like that all the time.  

It's obvious that was a burnt up Shark pattern.  So why show that?  It's supposed to be a big oiler, and he didn't show it on oil.  Eh?  He did the same thing with the Liberator video.  No ball will come back from 3 with that low of a rev rate on a sport pattern, unless the track is burnt, then every ball will.  It's like taking a brand new ball out and only throwing that ball.  Without gathering information on if it's a fresh shot or a beat up shot with your other balls, how can you accurately measure what your new ball does on the lanes and in comparison to what you already own?  Unless you intend for that ball to be the only one you're going to own, it doesn't make sense.  

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This entire thread is filled with distortions from posters who don't appear to really have watched the video. The following from Jorge300's post above is an example, and one of the reasons accurate discussions on this board more often than not go nowhere:

 
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I bowl PBA regionals and bowl other tournaments and to post something like this defies reason. No one and I mean NO ONE can hook any ball 20-5 on a fresh Shark pattern if it is applied correctly. And to insinuate otherwise is a blatant lie. Lane#1 may feel free to use whatever marketing campaign it likes with it's equipment. But don't come on here and spew this kind of garbage. Lane#1 will lose credibility and in the long run sales because of it.
 


Where was it ever stated or implied in the video that it was a 'fresh Shark pattern'? The video actually clearly states the following before showing the shots:

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"The following video was shot the next morning after league on the PBA Shark Pattern. The pattern was blown to bits"


And anyone who has bowled the Shark pattern on an older surface in a PBA experience league knows how quickly things can break down. Especially with 200 average THS amateurs burning up the outsides trying to create angle to the pocket.

What Mike showed was not only possible, but probable given the conditions he outlined. Watch the video, read the disclaimers, and evaluate it in context. There is nothing dishonest going on here other than certain posters taking cheap shots.

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2008, 11:14:35 AM »
Oh, and on Laneshield, just so everyone knows, the Shark can be completely destroyed by 4 or 5 people in 3 games.  I tore it up by myself with a Fury PEARL in 20 minutes last time I threw on it.  Both lanes.  As a final point Steven, I understand what you're getting at, I get your points, but I hope you get mine and that we can get to a middle of the road here.  Some of the responses here obviously showed that they didn't watch the video, or didn't pay enough attention to my post.  These same people are the ones buying bowling balls.  I'm not saying Mike's videos are too smart or too dumb, I'm saying they're incomplete, uninformative, and generally confusing because of that.  I could tell a lot about the ball from that video, and it looks great.  It's just that other people won't get that out of the video.  I realize he has to consider that he has to make the balls look good rather than show their capabilities, but on Brunswick videos, if you'll notice, they don't always throw strikes.  They'll throw a comparable ball from the same line as the featured ball, and the second ball will either not hit the headpin, or cross over.  The point is not to make the featured ball look "better," it's to show how it's different and what it will do in comparison to everything else.  And Brunswick's point isn't to show how much miss room a ball will give the average bowler.
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HamPster

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2008, 11:37:22 AM »
Oh geez, I just watched the rest of the video.  I didn't see the shots that came back from 3 at 45 feet.  Even on burn that's kinda ridiculous . .
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2008, 12:20:14 PM »
Hamp: Remember how you started out your post. And the start of any post sets the tone for the whole subject:

 
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Just what is Lane 1 trying to get at here? A guy that dumps the ball has recovery from 5 on the Shark? Especially dumping it from TWENTY out to five?


Again, given that many posters here have the attention span of rocks, that's all they're going to see. Trying to explain your opening away after the fact doesn't fix things.

Mike came completely clean with the disclaimers. He used broken down Shark because it still has more oil carrydown than a standard THS. He said specifically the following:

 
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"The following video was shot the next morning after league on the PBA Shark Pattern. The pattern was blown to bits, but the extra oil helps getting the BuzzBomb further down the lane before reacting on the backend"  


So from Mike's perspective, he felt the carrydown provided value in showing BB capabilities. In other words, it didn't simply turn into another THS.

It just seems you started a lot of mud throwing to simply say you didn't like a video. Especially since there is value there if you watch it honestly.
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2008, 01:12:00 PM »
Points taken.  I still feel that the ball's attributes would have been better shown on a fresh shot, because the Shark with carrydown is tons easier than fresh.  I think the ball would look great on a fresh Shark, or at least loads better than a lot of other balls out there . .  I'm not so much looking at it from my perspective but from other people's perspective.  I can dig through and take the info for what it's worth, but presentation is everything.  No, you can't always dumb things too far down, or you'd have Randy and Rob's PBA commentary, which also irritates me.  I'm all for getting interest in bowling, but can't we at least keep some integrity like golf does?  People go out and play golf until they break clubs, whether they're shooting 80 or 120, and keep going out for more.  Bowlers whine and flat out quit if they can't average 220, and all this . . wait, this is getting into a separate rant here.  I need to vent.  Again, points taken Steven, I get where you're coming from.  Shouldn't have been so antagonistic with my post.  I suppose I should have been as clear as I want Mike to be . .

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Hamp: Remember how you started out your post. And the start of any post sets the tone for the whole subject:

 
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Just what is Lane 1 trying to get at here? A guy that dumps the ball has recovery from 5 on the Shark? Especially dumping it from TWENTY out to five?


Again, given that many posters here have the attention span of rocks, that's all they're going to see. Trying to explain your opening away after the fact doesn't fix things.

Mike came completely clean with the disclaimers. He used broken down Shark because it still has more oil carrydown than a standard THS. He said specifically the following:

 
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"The following video was shot the next morning after league on the PBA Shark Pattern. The pattern was blown to bits, but the extra oil helps getting the BuzzBomb further down the lane before reacting on the backend"  


So from Mike's perspective, he felt the carrydown provided value in showing BB capabilities. In other words, it didn't simply turn into another THS.

It just seems you started a lot of mud throwing to simply say you didn't like a video. Especially since there is value there if you watch it honestly.
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2008, 02:10:09 PM »
stop being nazis people, mike has no reason to lie about the oil pattern he bowled on.the shot had ezily 35+ games on it. we had no idea it was the shark till after we got done filming it.i dare anyone out there to bowl on a 35+ game used shark pattern  and not get close results to what mike did.

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2008, 06:58:56 PM »
It says Roto Grip balls were no good before that..!! =:^D

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2008, 07:00:51 PM »
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It says Roto Grip balls were no good before that..!! =:^D


So Lame 1 balls have never been good then?
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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2008, 07:02:41 PM »
That's right and the only good ball from Roto is the Cell. Don't buy any of their other balls, because they stink..!! =:^D

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Re: Newest joke of a video . . Buzzbomb
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2008, 07:23:29 PM »
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Watching those videos makes me want to avoid them like the plague.
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My intention is not to blast. OK? So- Is there someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to watch the Lane#1 videos? Last time I looked, Lane#1 sold bowling balls; not videos. If you don't like the videos, don't watch them. I personally don't care for Storm, so I ignore their videos. No house has the same shot. I have never bought a ball based on a video.
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