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itsallaboutme

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Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« on: August 14, 2013, 03:38:54 PM »
OK, here's a question for Avabob (and the other old timers)  since he's been winning since a little before I was born.  Which era was the best bowling wise?  Rubber, Polyester, Urethan or Reactive?  Not your best results, because I've read your opinion on short oil, or the most participation, because that declines every year, but the just the most overall enjoyable time to bowl.

I know this will be very dependent on your life circumstances at various times, but try to think just about the bowling at the time.

 

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2013, 04:39:21 PM »
I've been bowling for about 50 years now and I have had some success in each of the eras. Not Bob Hanson success but locally successful.

I would say I enjoyed the late 70's to mid-80's the best. It seemed to me it had the best combination of skills need to compete. You had to be a good spare shooter, accurate with your strike ball, and still throw enough ball to make it effective when it hit the pocket.

Pot games were plentiful, bowlers seem willing to work at their games and pay their dues to get better.

During that time they also had come out with enough choices in balls to give you some help in matching up to the conditions.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2013, 05:17:19 PM »
Just had a conversation today at the Senior World Championships with a former PBA bowler. We revisited the days of old, when we bowled against each other in the JAT days. He told me "The game was so much simpler then, and the difference between the top and the great, then the good, then the decent and so on, was not that far apart." He also said 99% of the bowlers out there are not good enough to throw the modern equipment, so the houses had to become easier to keep people bowling.

Guess what: I agree with him. I am no saying our time, the 80's urethane days, were that much better, and yes, it had it drawbacks, too. But almost any time you can name will be better than what we experience now and any time other than now will be better on many different levels.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2013, 07:06:21 PM »
That is a great question, and I find myself struggling with the answer more than I thought I would.  I loved the game with hard rubber on lacquer, because it was simpler.  However I think I enjoyed the early resin era of the 90's the most of any.  Partly because it was like coming out of the end a terrible era for me.  The 60's were all about finesse.  The 80's were all about power, and the 70's were kind of a transition between the two but we all struggled learning how to handle the harder urethane lane finishes.  As a finesse player I could see things going away from me by 1980, even before the urethane revolution.  Again, partly sour grapes because in hindsight I could have made the adjustments necessary in my game to at least be a good niche player the way guys like Gary Dickenson were. 

The reason I say the early 90's is because I really think it gave the most different styles a way to compete if they could execute.  Prior to the introduction of the resin ball, the lane man had a lot more to do with who won than he should have. 

The only real reason I wouldn't put the modern game post 2000 right up there is that the balls are impacting the condition too rapidly and too much.  Lanes always broke down, even with plastic balls.  But today who you follow when crossing has more impact than it should.  Also, long formats always brought the cream to the top, but today it is tough to run a lengthy format without re oiling several time a day.   If we could get the oils to hold up longer, or get rid of the most aggressive surfaced balls I think the game would be better.  I like what companies like Kegel have done with developing different types of oil patterns to challenge our versatility and skill. 

There have always been issues.  Lefty dominance was a big problem in the late 60's, and early 70's.  Urethane finish replacing lacquer totally changed the way the game had to be played.

  One thing I do believe is the old statement that "things aren't like they use to be, and they never were".  We tend to be too nostalgic for an older era, forgetting about the problems the game had then too.   there never was any money in the game, and today is even worse.  I just hope that the game stabilizes with a large enough base of competitive bowlers so that we don't become even more of a niche sport like archery of skeet shooting

« Last Edit: August 14, 2013, 07:09:53 PM by avabob »

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 07:56:10 PM »
The 1900's, of course.



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I enjoyed the early 90's too, right before reactives...but the ball/lanes were only part of why I preferred it. The other is the economy was doing fairly well, the houses were still busy, leagues were full, etc. In truth, that was more important than the technology, which really doesn't mean that much.

But, every generation will have a different answer. In truth, I love the game now and enjoy it more than ever, but the sport as a whole is not competing with the pace of modern life and it's losing it's relevance...and that's a shame but I don't lament how the game has progressed. It's easier? News to me, I still have to compete with everyone else and they're all better than ever too.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2013, 08:45:51 AM »
You mention Kegel.  I have been involved in bowling for about 30 years.  It blows my mind that in my time we went from doing the lanes with a push bar and towel and a very simple machine with oil that didn't even feel slippery to a lane machine that costs as much as a decent car and oil that feels like 80 weight gear oil.

I guess I would have to say I liked the late 80's early 90's the best, but for a different reason.  This was about the time that synthetic were starting to get popular, but wood was still around.  The new centers would have synthetics, but all the older places hadn't gone that direction yet.  Center characteristics came in to play much more than they do now.  Some places always hooked.  Others the heads would hook and the backends would always be tight.  Some places the carry was easy, others were like bowling on 5 pound pins.  Some places you always played the gutter, others you always started left of 15.  Regardless of how the lanes were dressed, the house characteristics played a part much more than they do now.  Now unless the synthetics are trashed you pretty much are dictated by the pattern where you have to play and not the lane characteristics.  The part of knowing that you had the nut because your ball rolled good at a certain house or you would have to bowl your ass off just to get a check I liked.  Now the center doesn't really matter nearly as much, if your ball rolls good on certain pattern it pretty much rolls good on that pattern everywhere.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2013, 09:47:33 AM »
Interesting points about the wood lanes.  In our area Brunswick synthetics took over earlier than many places.  By 85 we were bowling on synthetics in 75% of our houses.

 I will freely admit that my opinion favoring the mid 90's is heavily influenced by the fact I had my most success during that period.  I think probably from a broad perspective the 60's were the best era of bowling.  Automatic pinsetters had brought the game to the suburbs.  The PBA tour was getting off the ground and drawing good tv ratings on ABC.  Junior leagues were full on Saturday mornings ( most important of all ). 

Still lots of issues.  Bowling still had the "smoky poolroom" stigma for a the blue collar crowd, and most importantly with educators. 

I think it was this elitism among many that prevented the game from capitalizing at the pro level to a greater degree on its  popularity during the 60's and early 70's.  Despite out drawing golf and even the NBA on tv advertisers were loathe to commit major money to the game, viewing the bowling population as a low priority market.   They totally ignored the level to which the game had proliferated in the general population.

The funny thing is that the 70's actually saw the biggest single increase in scoring during my lifetime. My average increased from 200 to 214 in 1975 when I first began throwing Columbia white dots and yellow dots.  We had 6 800 series shot that season in our association, several with the super soft Shore D.  Doesn't sound like many until I say that we had 2 in the entire history of our association prior to that season.  A friend of mine set a world record for 6 games at the time of 1608 with a Shore D.  Averages jumped dramatically from as the soft polyester balls took over.  They increased again with urethane, but not as dramatically.  Increase in averages with resin balls was noticeable, but the award scores increased disproportionately to average increases       
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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2013, 10:51:05 AM »
I grew up in Phoenix.  About 1/2 the centers there were Fair Lanes that didn't start getting synthetics until the AMF takeover.  We had a couple of new Brunswick centers that were synthetics, but that was about it.

Balls get all of the blame for the scoring increase, but during the same time lane maintenance has become easier, better and way more consistent.  When you let good bowlers stand in the same place with the same ball all the time on fresh conditions with clean backends the scores go up dramatically.


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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2013, 06:23:51 PM »

This is a good question, as while I was really young bowling on them, I can still remember them.

A lot of points were already made here. To be good on those older patterns, you had to be as versatile as a Gary Dickinson and Dick Weber, but also as much of a technician as Earl Anthony could have ever taught you. That pretty much summarized the 70s as much as I could remember (I didn't first start bowling until '78-'79).

The 80s changed the entire game around. Synthetics, urethane, the entire lot. Kids were able to watch bowling on TV on a saturday afternoon, as well as any local show that featured bowling (Omaha had two such shows; one of which constantly advertised that if you left a 9 count, and the headpin was the only one standing, you'd win a car). And we flocked to it like moths to a flame.

Wanting to be like the people on TV, junior leagues were completely filled at every house in Omaha. Rose bowl in Omaha (second largest house at the time) had so many kids they had to split juniors into 3 shifts. Ames Bowl had 50 lanes but still had to split theirs into 2 shifts, and every lane was used. We only had 3 choices for balls: Rubber, Plastic, or House ball. That is why it was much more of a game of skill then than now.

While I would also say that the early 90s would be my best time (I just turned 18 when the Rhino Pro, Turbo X, and X-Calibur made it big), I would have to go back and say that the late 70s through 1990 was probably the best. That is when it took the most skill, accuracy, versatility, and professionalism to excel at the game. We still had to deal with rubber vs. plastic vs. urethane, but we still had to deal with short vs. long oil and that condition on wood vs. synthetic. Of those 21 houses I mentioned in the Kelley's Hilltop thread, by 1989, 3 were synthetic (IIRC, AFBs have always had synthetic. By 1991, 4 were synthetic (would be 5; Rose Bowl closed at the end of the 1990 season) By that time, it was a challenge to figure out how to keep a urethane ball, let alone reactive resin when it came out, consistent and not erratic due to the hook factor it had on wood lanes, and due to how quickly synthetic lanes dried out at that time.

But the technology made the game easier back then just as it has now. I would love to see a couple of classic leagues our tournaments come up to where ball manufacturers had to put out something back from that level of technology to see people return back to requiring skill for the ball rather than it always hooking out of the box. Won't happen, but I can dream. :)

Anywho, I would definitely say from 1973 to 1993 would be the best time for bowling.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 07:19:18 PM »
The problem you get with going back to old technology with balls is that it ignores the changes in lane finishes and oils that have taken place.  I averaged 215 with a white dot in 1978, but we were bowling on low viscosity, low volumes of oil.  As a low rev guy I suspect a lot of young guys would call me a liar if I told them that I was disappointed if I didn't drive the 5 out at 4th arrow with a yellow dot.   In 1980 I shot a career high 793 series playing inside 4th arrow in an old wood house where the lane finish was gone in the heads to the right of 4th arrow. It played like a wall because the oil soaked straight into the bare wood, but still sat on top of the finish where it wasn't worn off.  My yellow dot carried like a bomb.

When I was young I always wished I could bowl on shellac that the guys of the 30's bowled on.  From what I was told the replacement of shellac with lacquer created just as much upheaval for bowlers as did the transition from lacquer to the much harder urethane lane finish.  I saw films of Ned Day with his figure eight looping full roller that apparently devasted the pins on shellac.   

 

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2013, 02:09:27 AM »
I'm a young pup compared to some of you, but I think I was allowed to bowl for the first time back in 1985 ( would of been 8 or 9 years old), went prior to that but my parents wouldn't let me actually bowl.

Anyways here in Middle Tennesse pretty much everything was synthetic by then, granted alot of the centers around here started popping up or remodeling around then. Sad to say but I've never seen a wooden lane other than on old videos.

About the only thing I could say would be, " I can remember when you had to do the scoring yourself!". Yeah just yeah  ;D

Anyways, I think I remember watching a PBA Plastic Championship back in 2009 if I remember correctly, it was interesting to watch. I personally would like to see more of it, with Urethane only, or maybe nothing prior to X year. Might be a way to get the to re-release some of the old balls. ( Yes I know its wishful thinking :P )

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 07:02:25 AM »
bradl,

So if you were 18 when reactives got going (1992), that puts your birth around 1974.  You started bowling when you were 4 and know about the game from the 70's?

And the best "era" for bowling was 73-93, which covers plastic, all of urethane, and the beginning of reactive?

Am I the only one confused?

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2013, 07:11:27 PM »
Without a doubt, my answer would be the '70s. By the start of the '80s, there was already too much easing of the scoring conditions, and the game has never really been the same since.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2013, 07:45:05 PM »
Being an old fart, I still miss the long-gone days of the 1960s with the 1970s next in line. Before someone criticizes my post, I know that things change but not always for the better.

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Re: Old timers, which was the best era of bowling?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2013, 11:29:00 PM »
 I bowled some back in the 1970's, but didn't really take it up seriously until 1982. I can honestly say that I wish I had been able to experience earlier times, but I was not.

 I honestly think that the late 1940's and all of the 1950's had to be the "golden age" of bowling. The war was over, and the economy was booming. Many people, with jobs and money, were looking to be entertained, and bowling seemed to be the ticket.

 Technology was simple back then, and so was the game. Learn the basics, then practice them until you were good enough to suit yourself. The ONLY thing separating the really good from the crowd was their ability to develop certain techniques to a higher level than most.

 There weren't any worries about what "condition" you were playing, nor was there the worry of trying to pick the "right" ball, because you only had a small handful to pick from, not the literal HUNDREDS available today.

 Me, personally, I liked the 1980's best. The game was still reasonably basic and simple, and technology was still just a minor player. Much more emphasis was put on the bowlers themselves, and their physical abilities, rather than on whether someone had the right "matchup" or not.
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