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PDW Disqualified!
« on: June 11, 2022, 01:27:16 PM »
Just came across JR Raymond's video on YT showing where PDW was disqualified from the Senior Masters for getting into it with a competitor's wife.  Sounded like she went a little overboard when rooting for her husband after a shot he made and he didnt like it.  So in traditional PDW fashion; he argues with her, proceeds to throw a strike and then crotch chops while saying something back at her. I will say that the video is not very long so not sure what happened before this all started nor after the crotch chop.  But JR defends Pete up until the point he said something to her after doing the crotch chop and have to imagine it didnt stop there.  But interesting to see what the entire story is behind this.   
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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2022, 01:30:19 PM »
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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2022, 04:41:44 PM »
He was fined and disqualified.  The fine was understandable after PDW called her a "b", but disqualification was too much.  The competitors wife was being obnoxious with her cheering and the tournament director should have told her to tone it down or leave.  The PBA would have fined PDW and removed the spectator, but there would have been no disqualification.  This is just another example of the USBC being the USBC.  Constantly focusing on the wrong things.

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2022, 05:50:37 PM »
Apparently a bit more based on these two comments from people who were there:

Steve Wright
6 hours ago
Pete told John Delaneys wife to be quiet and quit cheering for her husband when Jon was bowling. She didn’t say anything or make any noise when Pete was bowling. When she told Pete no she was going to cheer for her husband Pete called her an F’ing Bitch and said I do this for a living.

The consensus of us guys bowling was that he got what he deserved. For once USBC did the right thing. Pete thinks he can do anything because of who he is. Props to Gotchall for making the decision.

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She yells NEXT after Delaney hits the spare that sealed the game. This was after Pete already had 2 7-10s that game. He got pissed at her saying next and said something along the lines of ill get him next time. Then she says Alright, and thats when he says I dont really give a shit and calls her a bitch. He then turns to go back to bowl and she says "iTS jUsT a GaMe" and then he points at himself and says its my living. Interesting how you broke it down though lol.

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2022, 04:52:13 PM »
Apparently a bit more based on these two comments from people who were there:

Steve Wright
6 hours ago
Pete told John Delaneys wife to be quiet and quit cheering for her husband when Jon was bowling. She didn’t say anything or make any noise when Pete was bowling. When she told Pete no she was going to cheer for her husband Pete called her an F’ing Bitch and said I do this for a living.

The consensus of us guys bowling was that he got what he deserved. For once USBC did the right thing. Pete thinks he can do anything because of who he is. Props to Gotchall for making the decision.

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She yells NEXT after Delaney hits the spare that sealed the game. This was after Pete already had 2 7-10s that game. He got pissed at her saying next and said something along the lines of ill get him next time. Then she says Alright, and thats when he says I dont really give a shit and calls her a bitch. He then turns to go back to bowl and she says "iTS jUsT a GaMe" and then he points at himself and says its my living. Interesting how you broke it down though lol.



Thanks for telling us what really happened and not cherry picking bits and pieces.
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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2022, 06:51:07 PM »
Sorry, I'm not trying to take a side on this, I was not there. When I posted those, they were the only comments I saw that appeared to be from other bowlers who were there.  Since then, there have been more follow-up comments posted in response to those two comments. 

But remember, as law enforcement officers and lawyers have learned, witnesses almost always see/hear things differently than what actually occurred.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2022, 07:11:46 PM by MI 2 AZ »
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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2022, 06:55:31 PM »
Here are the follow-up comments to those two:

Scott Demirjian
1 day ago (edited)
Steve Wright, that's a marvelously dishonest way to dissect that scenario. I counted 10 extra claps by one person that continued beyond the cessation of clapping by everyone else, well into Pete's pre-shot routine. It was obviously a calculated effort to antagonize him. It wasn't merely cheering for her husband, it was positively calibrated to attempt to negatively affect Pete's performance, and you're going to need to own that. And if what bob20011 has said about the incident is true, then one really is left without a leg to stand on in defense of that woman's conduct. Spectators have duties to not palpably interrupt or interfere with the players beyond what standard cheering would entail, and she was overtly trespassing on the wrong side of those duties, period.


Steve Wright
1 day ago
The interaction between Jon’s wife and Weber happened in the middle of the second game. He 7-10 twice after his comment to her.  Not after she said Next at the end of the match.



Steve Wright
1 day ago
The video segment is the end of the match. Weber’s crotch chop had nothing to do with him being DQ’d by USBC.  The interaction between Weber and Delaney’s wife happened in the middle of the second game.


Ryman66r
23 hours ago
She obviously wasn't just cheering for her husband. She was being obnoxious about it. Someone from the tour should have stepped in and took care of the situation before it escalated. Pete was also wrong for acting the way he did.



Scott Demirjian
23 hours ago (edited)
 @Steve Wright  I'd love to find a video of the entire match. It's impossible to form a good opinion without understanding what preceded this video.



Steve Wright
23 hours ago
Scott,

I had the benefit of being there when it happened. I was in the middle of getting my ass kicked by Kloempken.

I’m not sure what process the USBC used in making its decision. There were several witnesses to what happened. I don’t know if Gotchall talked to them or not. I know he did talk to Delaney. The first round matches were at 9 am. The USBC didn’t inform Weber he was DQ’d until just before the first losers at round at 4pm.



Scott Demirjian
22 hours ago
 @Steve Wright  right, I gathered that you were there in person, competing. Ultimately, I side with the bowlers unless they've made egregious judgement calls. If what I'm hearing is this woman shouting "NEXT" while clapping hysterically after John's converted 7-pin in the 9th, I hope we can both agree that that isn't merely "cheering." So if that's relatively consistent with the antics Pete objected to earlier in the match that aren't in this video (and that you say you witnessed), then I agree with Pete that she needed to discontinue cheering in a way that compromised the integrity of the match.

Also, someone left this comment that I loved: "if my wife said "it's just a game, man" to a living legend that i am currently bowling against, she'd be left in the parking lot," and i couldn't agree with that sentiment more.


Julie McCook
6 hours ago
My husband and I were lucky enough to be there bowling nationals, so we were able to see some of the qualifying in person and connect with some old friends bowing in the tournament. We watched Pete bowl and he had “issues” with some other bowlers. He got upset with a couple bowlers that were 4 lanes away, who apparently didn’t give him enough lane courtesy. He yelled at them, pointed at them and stared them down several times, making it clear to them and the fans that he was annoyed, but no one could really understand why. These guys were outside the area concerning Pete and lane courtesy with the double jump rule used, and we didn’t see anything else they could have possibly done to warrant him being annoyed. He acted ridiculously and unprofessionally, wanting to intimidate these guys and apparently motivate himself. If he didn’t like something they did be an adult and have a quick talk with them and explain. 
In this last instance he was losing and lost to the #64 player when he was the #1 qualifier. He was already mad and her cheering for her husband loudly ,(not heckling Pete), took him over the edge. Her cheering may have been a little excessive, but her husband did just beat one of the best bowlers ever, like him or not. She could have been a little more gracious about it, yes, but Pete has to own his actions and words. No one made him do or say what he did and said.
I personally witnessed him act like a spoiled child and not a professional. Not a good example or ambassador for the game we love.

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2022, 07:40:32 AM »
The reason people feel empowered to do and say whatever they want is that everyone else has been told to tolerate or ignore it, so there are no repercussions for acting like a jerk, the only repercussions are to those who respond or react to it.

USBC should have told Pete to cool it or he'd be disqualified and should have told the woman to knock it off or her husband would be disqualified.  That would have ended all of the nonsense.  But no, now the woman feels empowered to act the same way at the next event.

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2022, 08:51:34 AM »
There was a line crossed that applies to the competitor more so than the spectator.  If a spectator does something, says something or acts in a way that is abusive, distracting or obnoxious to a player it's up to the player to address the situation with tournament officials.  PDW crossed the line by going after her himself. Had he gone to Rob he would have taken care of it.
It cracks me up to see all of the "USBC screwed it up again" comments.  What did they do wrong?  Weber broke the code of conduct.  End of story.  He got what he deserved with his words and actions.  This wasn't a PBA event where he can put on the bad boy act and thrill the fans without repercussion. 
     

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2022, 12:43:56 PM »

When PDW reacted to the woman she got her satisfaction, whether she was out of line or not.  From now on she'll brag about getting inside the head of the great PDW. As if that's something to be proud of...

If he puts on his big boy pants and ignores her, or uses it as motivation, this thing doesn't blow up and she just looks like a jerk instead of both participants looking bad.  A little self control goes a long way. 

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2022, 01:39:02 PM »
There was a line crossed that applies to the competitor more so than the spectator.  If a spectator does something, says something or acts in a way that is abusive, distracting or obnoxious to a player it's up to the player to address the situation with tournament officials.  PDW crossed the line by going after her himself. Had he gone to Rob he would have taken care of it.
It cracks me up to see all of the "USBC screwed it up again" comments.  What did they do wrong?  Weber broke the code of conduct.  End of story.  He got what he deserved with his words and actions.  This wasn't a PBA event where he can put on the bad boy act and thrill the fans without repercussion. 
     

The USBC fining PDW for calling the woman a "b" was the correct move.  Disqualification was unwarranted...that is where the USBC went too far.  The woman was obviously taunting PDW with her excessive clapping.  She knew what she was doing and is just as much to blame for what happened.

This event is also a major title on the PBA50 tour despite being put on by the USBC.  If PDW had won it, it would have been a major title for him.
 
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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2022, 08:00:06 PM »
She was probably being a jerk, but after bowling as a professional for 30+ years you should be able to either 1) block it out, or 2) use it as motivation. 

Nothing she could say affects YOUR next shot UNLESS YOU ALLOW IT to.  Use your years and years of "maple moxie" to benefit you rather than acting as a teenager would.  The crotch chop is getting old, very old. 

I don't dislike PDW. I admire his talent.  Sometimes he, reacts in a way that is not how I would, but we're different people. 

I'm no saint, but you will never see me kick a ball return, smack a monitor, or the like.  The last thing I want to do when I'm bowling bad is draw attention to myself and my lack of self control.  I'd rather quietly blend in and accept that not every night will I be 100% on my game...
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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2022, 01:23:06 AM »

I’m going to come from a few different tangents here, so bear with me.

Was Pete in the wrong? Yes. He should have acted a lot better than what he did. He had nearly the same situation in that 5th US Open final, and handled it better than this, and that was an even bigger major than the Senior Masters.

But he got off light. Yeah, that’s a big thing to say, but let’s put it into perspective.

Around 40 years ago, without spectator involvement, Marshal Holman ticked out a foul light from a bad shot and got a multi-month suspension in addition to a fine. Not exactly apples to apples, but a fine and DQ could have been worse.

That said, the competitors wife was also out of line. If she was being antagonistic and then condescending as stated, PDW should have gone to the tournament director to have them tell her to knock it off or her husband risks a fine or DQ and she gets escorted out. While there is a line for the competitor, there is also a line for the spectator that should not be crossed, and it was profoundly crossed here. I wouldn’t be surprised if the USBC and the PBA/PWBA/PBA50/PBA Jr. make a serious statement on this, as we know the USBC already has.

Finally, I think we’re back to PDW, Rash, and Simo in a triple threat match for who the true Bad Boy of Bowling really is.

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2022, 08:05:23 AM »
As others have pointed out, PDW was at work when this happened.  This is his job and how he earns his living.  This spectator was bothering him at work.  Imagine if you were at work and someone was sitting in your workspace being loud.  That would be tough to tune out. You are probably going to tell them to be quiet or go to the boss and get the problem solved.  PDW decided to address it himself with some colorful language.  Hence the fine, which was deserved.  Disqualification was excessive.

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Re: PDW Disqualified!
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2022, 08:50:52 AM »
Any guesses who called Pete shortly after the DQ to take this post down?