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tommyboy74

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Playing a true Reverse Block
« on: February 23, 2013, 06:27:27 PM »
I'm going to be entering a local Crown of the Hill tournament in a few weeks and wanted to get some ideas on how best to play a reverse block.  I haven't had a ton of experience on a true reverse block (it will be my first tournament in since coming back to bowling a few years ago).  Here is what I found out about the condition that is being laid out:

45 ft oil pattern
* True reverse block (less oil in the middle, more on the outside)
* People that have bowled on this already have nicknamed it "slick city"
* AMF HPL synthetics

Now here are the stats of my game:
* 19-22mph ball speed
* Tweener (straight game is my A game, can move inside when/as needed)
* 380 to 420 rev rate
* Low track

The balls I was considering taking with me to the house so far are:
* Defiant (pin down, 3-1/2 x 5 x 3, 2000 grit surface)
* Rogue Cell (pin above, 3-1/2 x 5 x 3, OOB)
* Infinite Theory (pin above, 4 x 4 x 1, OOB)
* Outlaw (pin above, 5 x 3 x 4, x-hole at P3, OOB)
* Hy-Road (pin drilled out, 4 x 4 x 2, OOB)
* Frantic (pin to the right of the ring finger, 4 x 4 x 2, OOB)

With that being said, what would be some suggestions that you guys might have?  This can include anything from ball choice to ways of playing the pattern.  One of the things I've thought about so far is playing straighter to avoid over/under with the pattern.  I also know for sure that I would slow up the approach to keep the speed lower.
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 06:45:02 PM »
I would like to see a graph of a pattern that actually has more units outside than in the middle.  Not sure that most sanction machines can even lay out anything more extreme than flat edge to edge. 

I never say never, but almost every pattern I have ever seen labled as a reverse block was actually a relatively flat pattern with super clean back ends.  On such a pattern the oil quickly carries down into the swing area, but when you move left you get inside the carrydown and the result is early hook. 

In any event, on any flat pattern it becomes very important to know the buff length.  Longer buffs require you to play straighter through the heads from ball one, and move in as a track opens up.  Shorter patterns will give you free swing for a few shots, but typically you start to see the back ends tighten down very quickly.  If you can control your hand position, the best way to attack either is with low axis rotation to create forward roll which allow you to play less head belly that typically gets guys accustomed to house shots in trouble on tournament patterns. 

By the way, if there truly were such a thing as a reverse block, that actually means the oil volume starts to increase again if you get past 4th arrow.  A good super inside player would start at 5th arrow, and play out to about 12 board. 

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 07:55:41 PM »
To me, and again this would be my opinion.  (My pap info listed in profile)

A true reverse block would play with something like the 9-10 board out to the gutter flooded / out of bounds and way long, and everything inside like 30 feet and pretty flat with a lower volume.  OOB outside 10 and toast"y" in.

Just call it "Hell".  Someone else may be able to graph it but I would bring something to play way in and start from there.  Bring something with a big shine and be open to playing deep.

Something like a true 1:1 and flat pattern brings a similar amount, but different MAJOR issues for us as bowlers to face.

UFO polish has bailed me out before on reverse block-like conditions.  Not a "plug" but true.  UFO on a cherry vibe......whooda thunk it ?
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 03:45:56 AM »
I am an out of the box type thinker in general, and when it comes to bowling. What I have done on a group of tournaments in my state over the years called the uba classic...they either put out a us open type pattern with a heavy volume or they put out  a pattern that plays for me like a reverse block...extreme out of bounds the first 8-9 boards and extremely drier inside of that. I don't/can't move inside and swing the ball out...I am strickly down & in, if I can't do that I am like a fish out of water......that being said what I do is play straight up the out of bounds. I take an agressive ball(tipically) one of my 2 visionary midnight scorchers at a very low grit and it works---what I mean by low grit is I have one of them at 40 grit, that's not a typo, 40 grit, and another at 60 grit and I can be subborn and play how I want to play & where I want to play.

Or........I can move a few boards in --instead of  between the gutter & first arrow with a scorcher, I take a weaker piece at a low grit--for example in the 2010 uba memorial day classic I was blessed enough to win the 10,000 dollar first place money by using a international series brunswick dry zone solid at 24 grit---still not a typo, 24 grit straight up between the 1st & second arrows on my left side(lefty) and be successful. It's different , but it works for me. Actually I have taken a ball as far down as 12 grit(without cashing in with that).

That's my take.

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 06:38:38 AM »
My out of box approach to this: For a rightie, stand far left, aim square at the head pin and throw it hard with a fairly rolly ball. The idea is to get Brookyn strikes all day long. Misses right might make it back to the pocket and carry 'natural' strikes. When I did this, I found that my ball entering the pins with a fairly straight trajectory worked pretty well for strikes, especially Brooklyn strikes.
Of course, I can throw it hard and not everyone can do that. The main point is to aim for Brooklyn strikes and not be fixated on hitting the 1-3 pocket.

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 09:36:52 AM »
Out of bounds is not a reverse block.   You can get major out of bounds on a 2-1 sport pattern depending on the length of the buff.  Most house shots have one load of oil outside of 8 board.  A typical tournament pattern will have 3-5 loads of oil out to 2 board, but they still have 5-10 loads across the middle.  Anything more than a couple of loads outside will give OB, regardless of how much is in the middle.     

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 01:49:48 PM »
find out how far right is unplayable and then just stay left of that.. sounds pretty simple but that is what I do.  You may find your self getting really deep early so that you can get the ball to hold pocket with the ball being on the inside line..
Depending on how severe the block is, you may be able to take  a dull ball and toss it up the oil line in practice to maybe give yourself some hold to the right..  You would probably need some help from 2 or 3 people for this to really make a difference though. And if you are moving pairs every game then it may not be worth it.
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 02:13:32 PM »
@avabob: I think you're being way too technical here. The reverse blocks that I have seen are exactly as GTGT described his. I don't really care whether a machine can or cannot apply the oil in a true reverse block. The question was....."How should he play it?" That being said, I like the way bcw1969 thinks. That is also how I've played them in the past. Use a very big piece, in the oob, and let it fade to the pocket, or use a polished, pin-down piece in the oob, and stroke it down and in, with slower controlled speed. The reason I play right is because most everyone else moves in deep, eating up what little oil there is to begin with. You have virgin territory on the right, if you are a right-hander. I believe your Rogue Cell or your Defiant would be very useful in this regards. Hopefully they will burn up a lot of energy before entering the pocket area, so you can get, "hard to believe" mixer strikes! Just my two cents. Good luck!
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2013, 09:00:18 PM »
If nothing else is working, you can always stand right and throw rockets at the pocket.  You've got the speed for it, and with your revs you should at least get a bit of drive at the end of the pattern.  Look up Eugene McCune, he's the master at it.

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 08:34:37 AM »
I agree with AVABOB, what I would consider to be a true reverse block would be dry in the middle and progressivly wetter as you go towards the gutter.

The amount of lane conditioner and length of the pattern would dictate somewhat on how to attack it.

To me the only way to play it would be to move to the opposite side of the lane from your hand and try to generate a little hold area. Trying to just get past the pocket before hooking back. But it would be nearly impossible to play.

I've had lots of bowlers say that nationals is a reverse block but it is not. You just don't have the unlimited swing area where you get the ball back that most are accustomed to in league play.

Simply because an area of the lane is virtually unplayable does not make it a reverse block.

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 11:45:40 AM »
 A lot of fresh sport patterns less than 40 feet seem like reverse blocks, because the back ends hook when you square up, but the midlane has more oil outside than people are accustomed to.  People will swear it is a reverse, but there is  more oil in the middle at every point on the lane

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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2013, 02:15:09 PM »
A lot of fresh sport patterns less than 40 feet seem like reverse blocks, because the back ends hook when you square up, but the midlane has more oil outside than people are accustomed to.  People will swear it is a reverse, but there is  more oil in the middle at every point on the lane

This!!!!!! Anytime its remotely flat in the middle 8/10 bowlers swear its a reverse block. Most have become all too accustom to the huge puddle in the middle. When its gone, its automatically a reverse block.
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2013, 02:37:10 PM »
+1000.

A lot of fresh sport patterns less than 40 feet seem like reverse blocks, because the back ends hook when you square up, but the midlane has more oil outside than people are accustomed to.  People will swear it is a reverse, but there is  more oil in the middle at every point on the lane
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2013, 03:36:06 PM »
And a lot of bowlers will create a true reverse block by using a heavy sanded ball. They burn up the middle of the pattern the first game. So without having the ability to use the burn they created are left without a place to go.

A lot of fresh sport patterns less than 40 feet seem like reverse blocks, because the back ends hook when you square up, but the midlane has more oil outside than people are accustomed to.  People will swear it is a reverse, but there is  more oil in the middle at every point on the lane
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Re: Playing a true Reverse Block
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2013, 03:40:21 PM »
Use rubber.