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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: thedjs on August 16, 2018, 03:43:19 PM
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Under the new rules from the USBC you can only clean your ball with a dry towel. This is going to be tough in my house as balls pick up some kind of rubber or other gook in the ball return that a dry towel will not remove. It gets all over the balls and will even stick to your hands. And yes we have all complained to the manager, but nothing changes. This is a Bowlmor house. Since this is the only house left in our city we don't have a lot of options.
Anyway what I want to know is can a league vote to have their own rules about ball cleaning even if it does not comply with the USBC?
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This article on Bowl.com says it takes effect 8-1-2019
https://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622331019
The change allowing only a dry towel to clean bowling balls during competition becomes effective Aug. 1, 2019. It eliminates the use of liquid cleaners of any kind during competition, which aligns with other changes to ensure equipment is not manipulated during competition. The change prohibiting a bowler from adjusting static weight during a competition by drilling grip holes deeper goes into effect Aug. 1, 2020.
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I do not believe that a league bylaw can be established that supersedes the ball cleaning rules. Otherwise leagues will be establishing rules to undo all kinds of things.
The USBC has clarified in the new cleaning rule FAQ that if a bowler gets something on the ball during sanctioned competition that a dry towel will not remove, they can consult with a league officer to determine what should be done at that point.
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Dry Towel definition......Anyone know what the definition is? Such as cotton terry cloth?, micro fiber cloth?, leather shammy pads? other?
I think I will be a little upset if my numerous leather shammy pads are deemed illegal to wipe the oil from my ball between shots in USBC competition.
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http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/TechnologyStudy/2018BTS-FAQ.pdf
7. What type of towels are approved for use during USBC certified competition?
All dry towels are allowed, if it doesn’t alter the surface of the bowling ball. This includes the use of dry shammys.
8. Since I can only use a dry towel to clean my ball, what if it was used with a liquid
cleaner prior to competition?
Yes, you can use that towel if the towel is dry at the time of use during competition.
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Thanks Coor Zero.
It appears my leather shammies are not deemed illegal. Whew!
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http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/TechnologyStudy/2018BTS-FAQ.pdf
7. What type of towels are approved for use during USBC certified competition?
All dry towels are allowed, if it doesn’t alter the surface of the bowling ball. This includes the use of dry shammys.
8. Since I can only use a dry towel to clean my ball, what if it was used with a liquid
cleaner prior to competition?
Yes, you can use that towel if the towel is dry at the time of use during competition.
If you recall, at one time, the PBA was considering outlawing micro-fiber towels because they do change the surface of a ball if rubbed hard enough. The same must also hold true for leather shammies.
The USBC is once again talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.
How can they allow thesE towels if they no longer allow cleaning fluids WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN NOT TO AFFECT THE SURFACE OF THE BALL. ?????
The USBC acts as if all BPAA proprietor's and managers insure their lanes are taken care of in an exemplary manner. That, of course, is a load of nonsense. Far too many do only the absolute minimum that allows bowling by even open bowlers. In such places, balls come out of the ball return loaded with such garbage that a very strong cleaner is virtually essential.
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http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/TechnologyStudy/2018BTS-FAQ.pdf
7. What type of towels are approved for use during USBC certified competition?
All dry towels are allowed, if it doesn’t alter the surface of the bowling ball. This includes the use of dry shammys.
8. Since I can only use a dry towel to clean my ball, what if it was used with a liquid
cleaner prior to competition?
Yes, you can use that towel if the towel is dry at the time of use during competition.
If you recall, at one time, the PBA was considering outlawing micro-fiber towels because they do change the surface of a ball if rubbed hard enough. The same must also hold true for leather shammies.
The USBC is once again talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.
How can they allow thesE towels if they no longer allow cleaning fluids WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVEN NOT TO AFFECT THE SURFACE OF THE BALL. ?????
The USBC acts as if all BPAA proprietor's and managers insure their lanes are taken care of in an exemplary manner. That, of course, is a load of nonsense. Far too many do only the absolute minimum that allows bowling by even open bowlers. In such places, balls come out of the ball return loaded with such garbage that a very strong cleaner is virtually essential.
I know it's fun to blame the USBC, but let's examine what they're doing for a second here.
They gave everyone the opportunity to use cleaners that don't change the surface during competition. Many complied, and many decided to cheat the rules and put whatever they wanted on towels hoping that no one would see and no one would be able to tell. Since bowlers won't comply, there's only two solutions: make everything legal or make everything illegal.
I don't like the rule, but USBC is often a scapegoat to the fact that bowlers are the ones ruining bowling.
As for crap coming back on your ball, USBC has said that cleaners are allowed in such cases with approval from, I believe, a league officer.
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Email usbc directly and ask them if water is considered a liquid "cleaner".
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Yep the lack of rules from the USBC is killing bowling for sure. Like the wild west out there. Indifferent to this rule per say and motion holes thing was mildly annoying (static weights in 2018 gj) but have a feeling the real deal breaker will be in the next batch of USBC throwning manure against the wall. Keep raising the barrier of entry for the sport side. I am sure that is good for long term health of the sport what with open bowling being where the entire industry is headed.
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Thanks CoorZero for that link. My favorite Q&A:
10. If I plug a balance hole I currently have, how will my ball roll different?
It may vary based on the layout chosen by you and your pro shop professional. In general, your ball should go longer before it starts to hook.
Ray: Hey Bob, my ball is skidding too much now.
Bob: Hit it with a 500 pad.
Good grief, USBC.
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They are banning liquid cleaners during league and tournament play because it cannot be determined what the chemical makeup of the cleaner is at the time of use. The bottle can say "Approved by USBC At All Times" yet inside the bottle could be acetone or some scuffing compound.
I totally support this rule.
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They are banning liquid cleaners during league and tournament play because it cannot be determined what the chemical makeup of the cleaner is at the time of use. The bottle can say "Approved by USBC At All Times" yet inside the bottle could be acetone or some scuffing compound.
I totally support this rule.
You cant tell the static weight of a ball by looking at it either. Since no one checks technically static weight rules do not apply. Neither rule affects scoring or betters the bowlers experience
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They are banning liquid cleaners during league and tournament play because it cannot be determined what the chemical makeup of the cleaner is at the time of use. The bottle can say "Approved by USBC At All Times" yet inside the bottle could be acetone or some scuffing compound.
I totally support this rule.
Good , then YOU come clean all the dog$hit off everyone's balls w/ your dry towel. I bet you totally support the government too, JACKA$$!
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If it's a house shot and your ball gets a mark on it, pick up one of the other 5 in the bag. It'll still strike :D
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Wait, banning microfiber towels because they can change the surface of the ball if enough pressure is applied?
Well, better ban the lane because it changes the surface of my ball!
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These new rules sound like they were made up by a committee of the last place team in a monday night men's league. The team where every bowler bowls with a "dry towel" hanging out of his back pocket and a "Big Dawgs" T-shirt tucked in their wranglers.
smh
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Bowling use to be fun......now not so much!
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These new rules were made up by a committee called Chad Murphy!!
His mantra is MABA!! Make America Bowl Askew!
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My question is, How are we going to know if someone towel is wet or dry?
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My question is, How are we going to know if someone towel is wet or dry?
That is the major issue with all of the new rules. Enforcement. The USBC puts that burden squarely on the bowlers. Between this rule, and the no balance hole [and no thumb or balance hole for no thumb bowlers] it is going to be virtually impossible to ensure full compliance. There will be arguments galore the first year or two between bowlers on sanctioned leagues about what is allowed and not allowed.
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Bowling use to be fun......now not so much!
For me bowling is still fun but league isn't. Taking the year off to practice and get more consistent. Don't have to give 2 craps about Mr. Murphy (though admittedly tiny reason why, more hate the commitment).
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People worry so much about nothing.
I've never seen anyone called out, I don't care about it in a league setting (If you think you have to clean your ball after every shot then I have you beat already), and it's an issue that will probably never raise its head so why worry about it.
I'm more put off by rosin bags being thrown around and rosin getting on the approach.
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I enjoy bowling, especially league bowling. I am able to do this by not worrying so much about things I can't control like; rules, rules enforcement, whether the shot is not as easy as last week, guy using urethane is going to reduce my area, guys using strong covers soaking up the oil, etc. My advice, is just go bowl and have fun and enjoy the competition and camaraderie.
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What's next? These stupid rule changes do NOTHING to address the real issue.
3oz weight, no weight holes, ect ..... so what !!
Are proprietors going to scale balls now? You can't even get the local USBC to tape a lane after 850 is shot. How long have the no-thumbers been using illegal equipment? As long as I remember and NOTHING was done about it then. Now the people who played by the rules will be required to plug stuff or buy new?
Deal with the 2 handers and be done with it.
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My question is, How are we going to know if someone towel is wet or dry?
That is the major issue with all of the new rules. Enforcement. The USBC puts that burden squarely on the bowlers. Between this rule, and the no balance hole [and no thumb or balance hole for no thumb bowlers] it is going to be virtually impossible to ensure full compliance. There will be arguments galore the first year or two between bowlers on sanctioned leagues about what is allowed and not allowed.
Amen. The casual beer league bowlers who want no more than a night out away from the daily grind will be called out by the "house pro's" how their 15 year old Fire Storm is illegal after he banks it off the wall on his way to 700? Sounds like a lot a drunk parking lot fights to me.
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What's next? These stupid rule changes do NOTHING to address the real issue.
3oz weight, no weight holes, ect ..... so what !!
Are proprietors going to scale balls now? You can't even get the local USBC to tape a lane after 850 is shot. How long have the no-thumbers been using illegal equipment? As long as I remember and NOTHING was done about it then. Now the people who played by the rules will be required to plug stuff or buy new?
Deal with the 2 handers and be done with it.
Have you ask for balls to be scaled based upon the 1 oz side, finger, thumb rule that is still in place? More balls are currently illegal and being used nightly than ever. While at Nats, I saw countless weight holes being made bigger/deeper due to side/finger/thumb not in compliance. So bowlers aren't regulating themselves now because they don't care about that extra side the next guy has. Enforcement was never cared about with the old rules, but apparently it will be with the new ones? Get over yourselves. Rule changes happen in every sport. People adapt and move on. Remember what you did after the RG/DIFF rule? That's right, you adapted and moved on...
https://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/176 (https://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/176)
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The one thing that is the problem, USBC can't control it. It's not side weight, or 2 handers, or no thumbers, or backup balls or anything behind the foul line. The playing field is equalized from foul line to pin deck. THAT'S the problem. USBC has painted themselves into a corner and is now just looking stupid.
I still stand by my idea that if you want to be sanctioned, you use a tougher pattern. If you don't care about sanctioning, wall them up!
If any of the equipment BS mattered, then someone would have found the magical combo to wreck the Peterson. What's that? No one has? BOY, WHAT'S DIFFERENT THERE?
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The one thing that is the problem, USBC can't control it. It's not side weight, or 2 handers, or no thumbers, or backup balls or anything behind the foul line. The playing field is equalized from foul line to pin deck. THAT'S the problem. USBC has painted themselves into a corner and is now just looking stupid.
I still stand by my idea that if you want to be sanctioned, you use a tougher pattern. If you don't care about sanctioning, wall them up!
If any of the equipment BS mattered, then someone would have found the magical combo to wreck the Peterson. What's that? No one has? BOY, WHAT'S DIFFERENT THERE?
ummmmm…...LANE CONDITIONS???:)
USBC will do nothing in that regard, ever. Just the same ole,same ole, keeping the $$$ flowing into the manufacturers [ball cos. lane oil cos,etc] pockets & out of ours!