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Brickguy221

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Reverse Finger Pitch
« on: June 11, 2009, 12:49:26 PM »
I know that many people use reverse finger pitch because of stiffness in their fingers, hand, etc. With that being said, why do some bowlers use reverse finger pitch when they have no stiffness in their fingers, hand etc.

I know of two local bowlers that average in the 225-235 range that use reverse finger pitch and they have no finger or hand stiffness. One uses 3/8 reverse in both fingers and the other uses 3/8 reverse on MF and 1/2 reverse on the RF.

They both say they get better lift-leverage on the ball with reverse finger pitch.

My question is .... Is this is true for those of you that might use reverse finger pitch but don't have any finger or hand stiffness?
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2009, 10:00:58 AM »
Brian

It is not only the forward in the thumb but a combination of 0 in the fingers that forces grabbing.  Think about grabbing anything.  How do you do it?  Squeeze a beer can and you essentially get the same effect.  Go the other way and you drop things.  Keeping your fingers at 90 degrees and moving your thumb forward is the basics of grabbing.

Afterthought.....   Technically you can grab something without applying a lot of pressure.  There is a difference between squeezing and grabbing.

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2009, 05:13:01 PM »
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So Brick...what are your new specs....and what were old?  Do you know?

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LL,

Old grip or pretty close:

Spans were 4 3/8 total on both fingers.  About 1/8 reverse on MF, and 1/4 reverse on RF.  1/8 reverse on thumb with no lateral.  This is just what I observed through talking to Brick and looking at a couple of his balls.

New grip:
Spans are 4 1/2 and 4 9/16.  1/2 reverse and 3/8 left lateral on MF.  5/8 reverse and 3/8 right lateral on RF.  Thumb is 1/4 Reverse and 1/8 left lateral.  

His hand is actually much bigger than this span, could be another 1/8 longer on both fingers, but his fingers are very stiff, not just the first joint either.  Added the left lateral, has a big pad on his hand below the thumb, his hand just naturally goes that way and not back to the right very well.  Thumb joint is pretty stiff also.  He has a long thumb, long from web to joint in thumb.  Fingers are pretty straight, no big knots or bumps.

I also made his thumb smaller overall.  He has been using a 61/64 round thumb.  I milled him a thumb using a 29/32 bit to .973 @45 degrees.  I didn't do much to the thumb after drilling, I figured he would bevel to his liking, as he knows how to make this adjustment.

HOPEFULLY, as he lessens his grip pressure, his thumb will come out cleaner, and he will be able to spin the ball just a little bit more.  Has some loft, and comes up the back pretty well.  Holds the ball and muscles his swing a lot, but it will come with confidence that the ball is not going to lock up on him, and as he relaxes.  Seems to have been squeezing for a long time.  The short grip and 1/4 reverse on some of his balls made him grip the ball hard, and his elbow barely straightens out all the way.

Let's see what happens after a 2-4 weeks....

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2009, 09:08:23 AM »
Sounds fascinating!

TO .... me it doesn't sound like the reverse is the key....BUT instead the proper span sounds real important in this case!

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2009, 10:42:50 AM »
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Sounds fascinating!

TO .... me it doesn't sound like the reverse is the key....BUT instead the proper span sounds real important in this case!

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Luckylefty

 


Not entirely true. Span is important but it isn't going to work without the proper pitches in my case, especially with fingers on the stiff side and stiffer than I realized they are. I had previously tried longer spans with no change to finger pitches and slight change to finger pitches and these longer spans failed miserably. Now in the case of a person having good flexability of the fingers, then yes your statement does hold some truth saying that span is the key, but in my case it isn't THE key, but is PART OF the key and in the area of 50-50.....50% span and 50% correct REVERSE finger pitch along with correct reverse and left lateral thumb pitch.

I am now bowling way better than I have for a long-long time. To get back to where I once was when I averaged in the mid 190's to low 200's, I have to break a few bad habits that I have accumalated the past 3-4 years and it isn't going to be easy, but I have started and the results are good thus far.
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los2003

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2009, 01:12:41 PM »
ok so I actually am going 1" reverse I drilled a piece with 3/4's and I was still hitting the top of the hhole.. And no my span isn't streched

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I am actually going to go from 0 in the fingers to 1/2 reverse because I was breaking a blood vessel in my nail so it actually brought my attention to it. And talked to a couple shop owners I know and they both said I could go 1/2 away.. So i'm gonna try it in a few pieces i'm not worried about
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2009, 02:20:07 PM »
Brick.....I understand...."Everything matters!"

It sounds like the set of compensations you had before were TERRIBLE!  Vs where you have gone today!

With a wonderful fit one goes a long way towards breaking bad swing habits.  I believe this applies to bowling AND golf.

Of course as one goes to a more reverse one can add span and lots of forward takes away span.  But it sounds like you were very short before.  It sounds like the master Mike Austin has dialed you in!  I do remember you discussing your unusual stiff fingers thumb and coke bottle test.  Everthing has come together.

Out of curiousity Los2003.....can you bend your fingers .....a little bit?  Or virtually none at all?


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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2009, 02:42:15 PM »
I was having a problem breaking blood vessels in my nails at 0. SO I tried 3/8/s and 1/2 but I was still hitting my nails.. I was informed by  2 of the best drillers and fiiter in my city that I needed to go with more reverse and my spane wasnt at all stretched. and to answer your question yes I can bend my fingers. but at the first knuckle its not a whole lot..Im thinking since I played bball and jammed fingers numerous time that may have had an affect
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2009, 04:50:13 PM »
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It sounds like the master Mike Austin has dialed you in!


LuckyLefty, indeed Mike has dialed me in. Unbelieveable that the fit was so perfect on the first try that no further adjustments or minor changes needed. I will be forever thankful to him for what he has done for me here. In addition, this new grip has allowed me to go from very low revs to the weak side of medium revs and gets closer to actual medium every time I go bowl.

I have a few years of bad habits to now correct in regard to my mechanics and after doing them for so long, it isn't going to be easy to correct. Going to take some time and isn't going to happen overnight.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2009, 05:43:59 PM »
However.....you are "On your way".

That is nice to hear!

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