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Brickguy221

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Reverse Finger Pitch
« on: June 11, 2009, 12:49:26 PM »
I know that many people use reverse finger pitch because of stiffness in their fingers, hand, etc. With that being said, why do some bowlers use reverse finger pitch when they have no stiffness in their fingers, hand etc.

I know of two local bowlers that average in the 225-235 range that use reverse finger pitch and they have no finger or hand stiffness. One uses 3/8 reverse in both fingers and the other uses 3/8 reverse on MF and 1/2 reverse on the RF.

They both say they get better lift-leverage on the ball with reverse finger pitch.

My question is .... Is this is true for those of you that might use reverse finger pitch but don't have any finger or hand stiffness?
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 09:10:41 PM »
KWBOWLING hit it on the nose! I use 1/2 on my middle 5/8 on my ring and my hands are as about as flexible as they come. The ball is very clean off my hand and I do not lift with my fingers, I uncup the wrist!
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 09:12:59 PM »
Less grab and more comfortable feel
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 09:20:52 PM »
I use 1/2 reverse on both fingers.  Have used as much as 1" reverse in the past.  Better feel, I feel the ball on the pads of my fingers, not the tips.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 03:00:09 AM »
Maybe you guys can give me a few tips. I've tried this in a couple of balls with mixed results. It seems to work nice for balls I shoot spares with. For strike balls, eh, not quite as good. I have a tendency to drop them. Accuracy didn't improve all that much and I didn't see a big difference, good or bad, in revs.

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 04:02:12 AM »
SPAN dictates pitch more than any one thing. The longer the span the more reverse needed to release the ball cleanly.

Also, the type of finger insert used has a bearing. For example, if you use the power lifts (instead of ovals) they bring your finger tip back forward a little so your finger hole pitches should compensate for that. I start with 1/4 reverse in the fingers, but after adding the power lift inserts it's closer to 1/8 reverse, which is what I really want. Make sense?

When it's all said and done everyone's hand and preferences are a little different. The more reverse I put (with my span), the more grip pressure I need, which I don't want. Especially with my thumb pitches. It's just a preference, so you may have to experiment a little, but only if you need to. If it's not broke don't fix it.

 

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 12:02:02 PM »
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When it's all said and done everyone's hand and preferences are a little different. The more reverse I put (with my span), the more grip pressure I need, which I don't want. Especially with my thumb pitches. It's just a preference, so you may have to experiment a little, but only if you need to. If it's not broke don't fix it.

 


The grip pressure is what I worry about with reverse finger pitch. I have 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral on thumb and just finished trying 1/8 reverse on thumb and the less reverse just doesn't work for me. Even tried reducing the span with the less thumb reverse pitch and that didn't help either. So to sum it up, I fear I may be stuck on 1/4 reverse in thumb and if going to reverse in fingers will cause me to squeeze or not.

Anyhow, I have a Storm Triple X Extreme that I never use, so I am going to try reverse in fingers on it and see what happens. In looking at my hand, my driller suggests 3/8 reverse MF and 1/2 reverse RF and since my span is ok with my current grip, he is going to lengthen the span a bit to compensate for the increased finger pitch.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 12:07:39 PM »
Here's what happens.  In the old days people thought that drilling fingers at 0-0 3/8 L - 3/8 R would give them more revs and hook.  What this type drilling does is put pressure on the joints of the finger and fish hooks the fingers in the ball.  The drilling also can cause pressure on the webbing of the thumb.  The term ripping the cover off the ball.  It forces grabbing the ball and muscling of shots reducing smoothness.  When the fingers are pitched at the proper reverse angle pressure is taken off the joints and put on the pads of the fingers.  This reduces grabbing and muscling of shots.  You can test this at your desk.  Hold your hand out and put your pointing finger on the pads of your fingers.  Now come thru the ball. Feel the fingers lift.  Now place the pointing finger in the middle of the fingers between the joints.  Now come thru the ball.  You will feel zero smoothness and an actual yanking.  The reverse in the fingers will create smoother release and better rotation.

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 12:07:37 PM »
I am going to 1/4 reverse in my fingers due to some loss of finger flexibility.  I am currently at -0- (fingers and thumb).  My driller suggested only changing the finger pitch and style of insert for now.  We can then go forward with the thumb if needed.  The ball does seem to come off my thumb pretty fast.  I think I will need to go forward with the thumb.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 11:20:45 PM »
I've tried my Triple X Extreme with the 3/8 MF and 1/2 RF reverse pitch twice now. The first time, I threw 3 games with it and scored pretty fair with it and thought I might like it. Today, I tried it again for 4 games and hated it all 4 games. My release didn't feel right and the ball showed it, so I don't know what was wrong. Finally went back to Gamebreaker with my normal grip and it performed ok. Now I am stumped what to do. I do know that my thumb swells and shrinks a lot. Today for whatever reason, I had to add 5 pieces of tape to the Triple X Extreme and 4 pieces to the Gamebreaker.

I left my Playmaker in the pro Shop to plug fingers and was going to add the same reverse to it, but now having second thoughts after a disasterous day with the Triple X Extreme and may go 1/4 & 3/8 in place of the 3/8 & 1/2 on the Triple X Extreme. I just wonder if my thumb may have been coming out fast on the Triple X Extreme, thus causing me some problems because I just couldn't seem to get anything on the ball??? The thumb on the Playmaker I left to get fingers plugged has 1/8 less reverse and 1/16 left lateral. That's another reason I am thinking about reducing the reverse finger pitch 1/8.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 01:04:12 PM »
Brick

Did you change the thumb pitch also?  You need to do that otherwise you are probably dropping the ball.  If you still have the thumb reversed for the old drilling you are most likely falling out.  Take a paper cup and hold it by the rim, then spread your fingers and thumb so they are reverse and you can see the effect.

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 01:19:26 PM »
Is reverse with the finger hole pointing away from your thumb?

quote:
I know that many people use reverse finger pitch because of stiffness in their fingers, hand, etc. With that being said, why do some bowlers use reverse finger pitch when they have no stiffness in their fingers, hand etc.

I know of two local bowlers that average in the 225-235 range that use reverse finger pitch and they have no finger or hand stiffness. One uses 3/8 reverse in both fingers and the other uses 3/8 reverse on MF and 1/2 reverse on the RF.

They both say they get better lift-leverage on the ball with reverse finger pitch.

My question is .... Is this is true for those of you that might use reverse finger pitch but don't have any finger or hand stiffness?
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 01:29:12 PM »
reverse for the fingers points away from the center of the grip.

Reverse for the thumb points away from the center of the grip!

Forward the opposite!

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PS I like 0 finger pitch!  With powerlifts!
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 04:10:34 PM »
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Brick

Did you change the thumb pitch also? You need to do that otherwise you are probably dropping the ball. If you still have the thumb reversed for the old drilling you are most likely falling out. Take a paper cup and hold it by the rim, then spread your fingers and thumb so they are reverse and you can see the effect.

 


Smash, I think you are right. I asked the driller about reducing the reverse thumb pitch when I started experimenting with the reverse finger pitch and he said not to change it as it wouldn't matter. Well, I thought to myself at the time he is wrong but I'll try the Storm ball and see and the results were as described in my post of earlier today. Since I had a problem with it, I left my Playmaker with 1/8 less reverse thumb pitch in the pro shop yesterday and told him to plug fingers.

Today, I had him drill it with 1/16 less span and 1/8 less reverse finger pitch along with the 1/8 less reverse thumb pitch than the Storm ball and WOW, what a difference it made. That ball has about 150 games or more on it and it worked better than when it was  NIB. I was able to free up my swing with less squeeze (I am a bit of a squeezer....always have been), had more revs and better leverage at release.

To sum it up, my Triple X Extreme Test grip was 1/4 reverse thumb pitch, 4 1/4 c-c span and 3/8 reverse MF & 1/2 Reverse RF pitch.

The Playmaker that came off my hand smoother with more revs and way better performance had 1/8 reverse thumb pitch, 4 3/16 c-c span and 1/4 reverse MF & 3/8 reverse RF pitch.

When I left today I left my Gamebreaker in the shop and told him to change it to the same as the Playmaker. "IF" he drills it right and a match to my Playmaker, and it works as well as the Playmaker, then I may have found a better workable grip that I have been searching for this summer. Keeping my fingers crossed here.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 04:37:52 PM »
Brick I was wondering.  1/2 in the ring is quite a bit.  If you have too much you will get nothing on the ball.  The thumb pitch is a big deal because it has to come out on time.  If you come out early you will drop the ball and have nothing on it.    I figured out I think how to draw this!

The grip should be either // / , // | or \\ \.  If the grip is this way // \ you will drop the ball.  If it is \\ / you will squeeze the ball.  If the ball is || \ you may hang up in the fingers.

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