Let me see if I can explain this correctly...if something doesn't sound right let me know.

My mom and my sister (also league president) bowl in the same league together but on different teams.  The league is not a high average league, but is more that the old ladies get together.  There are 7 teams in the league and have been since last year, when one team quit halfway through the year.  Now here's the problem.

Last year when my sister's team was scheduled to bowl the blind team she noticed that the score for the blind was not right so she said something to the league secretary who promptly told her it was figured correctly and she was not going to look into it.  Well since it was so late in the year they decided not to do anything about it and wait till next year to see if they got another team.

Well the next year they only had 7 teams so right off the bat my mom's team tried to tell the secretary that the blind score was being figured wrong.  The secretary pretty much told them to p@ss off.  So they called the association president and a meeting was called.  Meanwhile over half of the season was bowled using the wrong blind score.

So the meeting was called and the association president pretty much told them to get along and figure it out.  They voted to leave the first half standings as they were (even though they weren't right) and would figure the blind scores correctly from here out.  The first night after the meeting my mom's team bowled the blind team and won all four games.  When the standings came out the next week it showed they only won three games.  When they confronted the secretary she said they added wrong and it wasn't going to be changed.  My mom then pulled out the copy of the score sheet and asked the secretary to prove it.  The secretary told her to go away.

My question is this;
1.  Can the first half of the league stand even though the blind score was figured wrong.

2.  How does someone get the USBC involved.  They want to have the league de-certified?

The bad thing is that the numbers for women bowlers in this area are way down, and my mom has already said she is going to quite after this year,  The only reason she is staying is so here teammates will have a full team.  My sisters team is also going to lose one person.  Someone give me some ideas on how to handle this please!!!!!!!  Sorry to ramble on.
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Thanks for replying....the problem with the association president is he is a complete wimp, he won't take a stand on anything.  The only thing he has to say is that they should all get along and figure it out themselves.  Everybody agrees the rule was broken but now the secretary is figuring it wrong to to prove a point.  And yes she should be removed, but half of th league is on her side because they don't know what a rulebook is and don't care, which is fine.  But if somebody has a question I think that it should be handled in a positive manner.  Sorry about the ramble.
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i guess if you could clarify what is wrong with the scores we could give some more ideas, what is the league rule for bowling the blind?  ours is 10 pins per man within average, if i average 210 i got to shoot 201, but since it is team, as long as the team is within 50 pins of our average we win the game.  how are your rules set up?
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You can contact the usbc rules department by emailing them at rules@bowl.com  I would suggest making sure that you have all of your facts straight before you start.  Rule 114c describes how to assign points when bowling agains the nonexistent team when a league has an uneven number of teams. (a blind team would have Ray Charles, Helen Keller, and Stevie Wonder as bowlers)  If the league has not voted on a specific point system, the earn the points system in rule 114c applies which is "...a team must bowl at least the team average less ten pins per player" and points not won are termed as unearned points.  

As far as corrections are concerned, corrections in scoring or calculation may be made until the prize fund is distributed (commonly asked questions #29 and rule 116b)

Overall, the league needs to handle this with some clarification of the rules by the association or usbc rules dept.  Your sister will need to be very clear on how the points should have been assigned and the correct procedure for accomplishing the chnage.  If she is league president, she needs to take the secretary aside and discuss this in detail in a non threatening, calm manner.  Good luck.

The first half can and will stand, not trying to be a smart eleck but what difference does it make if everyone's was figured usinfg the wrong one it would still be the same
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Carl

Would agree with RILEY on this. When bowling a blind, you must bowl within 10 pins of average. So no matter what the score is for the blind team. you still need to bowl around your average.

Another problem you have is calling your sister an OLD LADY... Hope she does not read BALL REVIEWS...
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1st if you don't have league meeting at start of year
and a copy to each team captain of the rules the secy
cab do what they want.
USBC will not get involve I been down that road
its a local matter
Ok do you have a president of that ladies league
that's who is in charge of the league.
Also does the secy use a computer program or by hand.
sounds like they need to vote in a secy next year.
do they have meeting to vote in board members
each year.
thats why the USBC rule book to have meetings
so no hard feeling later.
been down that road
like always nobody wants to make waves
so even if your mom went to the president
and ask for a meeting of all team captain
I will said nobody would vote to change anything
or to make anybody mad or vote out the secy.

so is finding another league possible.

good luck

I've bowled in leagues with blind teams for several years and you must bowl within 10 pins per man of the team average.  If you have four 200-average bowlers with no handicap, the team average is 800.  Shoot above 760 to win the point.  If you've for four 150-average bowlers with 50 pins of handicap per game, then the team average is still 800 and they must still shoot 760 (handicap) or 560 (scratch) to win the point.

Rule 114c describes precisely what happens when there is an uneven number of teams.  There are only three possibilities:

o bowl within 10 pins per man of your total team average, as described above

o draw another team whose scores will stand for the blind team (this is new in the last few years; we did it once and didn't really like it).  You can win or lose points, but you don't affect that other team's points.  They're just a proxy for the blind team.

o Take a bye and don't bowl at all.  If everyone bowls the blind team an equal number of times, this is perfectly fair.  There will be no missed opportunities for points.  It's not often that everyone bowls the blind team equally.

The "score" for the blind team doesn't matter unless you've chosen the second option.  You might be able to set it up to display what you would actually need to win (so you have the feeling of looking at the monitor to see who's winning), but it doesn't matter what the scores for the blind team are, really.

There are no other options given.  No "unless specified by league rule", no "unless the secretary's an azzhat".  You can't pick some other system, and the secretary is wrong.  If my secretary told me to kiss off, we'd have a new secretary.  He or she is there to serve the league, in most cases they get paid to do so.

I'm not sure what to say about having voted to let the scores stand.  I'd contact the USBC to verify that's legal.  I bet it isn't.  In any case, you'd need 100% of the vote of the board of directors (team captains plus officers) and all you'd've had to do was vote nay.

SH