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thirtyclean

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Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« on: May 30, 2008, 01:21:22 AM »
Does anyone have experience in a matter that happened last night in our league.
An opponent caught a guy sanding the ball during the game. They took the ball out of paly from that point. Are there any repercussions dealing with the game that he used the ball ? Do they forfeit the game ? Just wondering. The ball was just taken out of play.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2008, 09:27:31 AM »
I was always led to believe that once bowling for score bgins, that the surface of a bowling ball can't be altered...unless by an approved substance (like isn't it the hook-it line that states on the bottle "good for use during competition)?

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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2008, 09:27:51 AM »
That is the correct move.  The ball must be taken out of play and cannot be used agian during that block of games.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 09:31:12 AM »
Here you go:

"18. Bowling Ball - Altering Surface
 

Altering the surface of a bowling ball by the use of abrasives while bowling in USBC competition is prohibited.

All bowling balls so altered must be removed from the competition. (See Chapter 7, Section 2, for additional information.)

 

NOTE:  If it is shown the bowler had prior knowledge his/her actions were in violation of Rule 18, the game(s) in which the violation occurred is (are) subject to forfeiture. In addition, the bowler is subject to dismissal from the league and suspension of membership.

 

Competition is defined as the remainder of the current game and remaining game(s) in the series being bowled.

 

The use of approved cleaning agents such as isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol and polishing machines is permissible."



 


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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 09:34:20 AM »
Rule 18 governs altering the surface of the ball.

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Rule 18 – Bowling Ball – Altering Surface
Altering the surface of a bowling ball by the use of abrasives while bowling in USBC competition is prohibited.

All bowling balls so altered must be removed from the competition. (See Chapter 7, Section 2, for additional information.)

NOTE: If it is shown the bowler had prior knowledge his/her actions were in violation of Rule 18, the game(s) in which the violation occurred is (are) subject to forfeiture. In addition, the bowler is subject to dismissal from the league and suspension of membership.

Competition is defined as the remainder of the current game and remaining game(s) in the series being bowled.

The use of approved cleaning agents such as isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol and polishing machines is permissible.


If the guy knew he was doing something illegal, he could be penalized beyond simply removing the ball from play and a mild smacking upside the head with a rolled-up copy of the rule book.  Proving that he knew it was illegal is usually tough unless he's been warned in that league before.

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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 09:42:44 AM »
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NOTE: If it is shown the bowler had prior knowledge his/her actions were in violation of Rule 18, the game(s) in which the violation occurred is (are) subject to forfeiture. In addition, the bowler is subject to dismissal from the league and suspension of membership.


This is key. If the bowler was sanding the ball, then threw it down the lane, and you can prove they had prior knowledge to rule..the game is subject to forfeiture.

In most cases the ball is just removed...end of discussion.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 11:27:00 AM »
I caught a guy on my pair few years ago doing this.  He had sprayed down his ball with clean and then utilized an abralon pad to "wipe it off".  Ummm...the grey side has the grit and you just sanded your ball.  Wow...was he not happy with me!!
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 02:12:28 PM »
A better bowler had a maroon scotchbrite sandwiched between 2 layers of a very worn towel sewn together & wiped his ball after every shot. He was very disturbed when it disappeared.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 02:30:51 PM »
I caught a guy that sewed in a green scotchbrite into his bowling seesaw, it was a scratch league he knew what he was doing. He was an older guy so it was just yelling otherwise i would have clocked him for getting stupid over it.

Somehow he just stopped bowling the league when he knew he gig was up, probably got away with it for years is my guess.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 03:35:11 PM »
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I caught a guy that sewed in a green scotchbrite into his bowling seesaw, it was a scratch league he knew what he was doing. He was an older guy so it was just yelling otherwise i would have clocked him for getting stupid over it.

Somehow he just stopped bowling the league when he knew he gig was up, probably got away with it for years is my guess.


But how "smart" was he?
WHy would you need to sand the ball after every frame?

I know an old guy who has a white pad together with his towel. He rarely touches it to the ball, but since he averages 150 and the white pad can hardly be termed an abrasive, no one says anything.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2008, 08:34:49 AM »
Just and observation, but I would surmise that 50% of league bowlers have no idea what most of the governing rules are and have never even taken a look at the book.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2008, 10:32:42 AM »
A few years ago I was bowling in a Tuesday 6PM league on one end of the house and there was a Men's Classic League on the other end.  A few times we saw one of the bowlers from the Men's Classic league come over and sit behind 1 - 2 to sand his bowling ball.  

It makes it rather obvious he knew the rule.  I let the secretary know.  I'm not sure what he did, but the guy was never seen coming over behind our league sanding a bowling ball again.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2008, 10:53:10 AM »
Stupid rule. Serves no true purpose, other than making me take more balls on league night. Not worth starting an argument during league over.
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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2008, 11:49:52 AM »
I believe this rule came about when the bowlers discovered the abrasive pad in combo with urethane balls.As the balls smoothed out in competition bowlers were constantly renewing the finish and the oil could not stand up.The BPAA complained the balls were taking the oil and protective finish off the lane and exposing the wood prematurely.Thats why polishing was allowed. No harm to lanes. Today's finishes and oils are much more durable and this rule has outlived it's purpose.A side benefit was the need for two bowling balls,one sanded and one polished.This pleased the ball companies. Greed will prevent this rule from being overturned.Unfair competition was never the reason for the rule.

I feel this rule puts the guy who cannot afford an array of equipment at a disadvantage. To remain competitive bowlers should be allowed to change,by hand,the surface of the ball. After all once changed,if not for this rule, the ball would still be legal.

Making the bowler aware of the rule and taking the ball out of play was the proper decision.

A petition would be needed to get this rule rewritten.



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Re: Rules question - USBC rule on sanding a ball during game !
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2008, 01:59:44 PM »
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Personally I hate the rule.  It is nothing but a kickback to the ball manufacturers.  I can't change the surface, but I can have two identically drilled balls with different surfaces in may bag?  Who does that benefit?  The USBC is just like any other government:  worthless and corrupt.  They are not interested in protecting you and me they are interested in promoting themselves.


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