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spmcgivern

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Sanction Expectations
« on: August 18, 2015, 12:29:46 PM »
As usual, there are always posts pertaining to bowlers not getting value for their measly $20.  But I have yet to see what people EXPECT for their $20. 

What exactly do bowlers want?  Do they want rings?  Do they want a magazine subscription?  Do they want free massages between frames?

What do you want for your $20?

 

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2015, 01:01:33 PM »
Does the massage have a "happy ending"? :-)


At this point, I'm satisfied with the average book for tournament verification and rules for the sport.

However, a few years back when I was a new bowler, the patches(then magnets, then key chains, etc) meant a lot to me. I think it gets lost on a lot of the higher average bowlers how much those "trinkets" mean to the beginning bowler.

Of course, I hear a lot of bitching from the higher averages when they can no longer get their yearly 300/800 rings. Personally, I'm happy with not getting another ring I will never wear.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2015, 01:24:25 PM »
I agree milo.  I really looked forward to my first ring and got a gold 300 ring.  Got the ABC Eagle design during the short time they offered it.  But I never wear it and to be honest, I don't know where it is.

For me, the $20 is a small price to pay and I feel the $10 USBC "National" gets they do enough for it. 

Locally, I am not as sold.  I have always felt the local associations are where the real loss of value is.  I am not saying the jobs they do are easy or anything like that.  But I feel they have antiquated ideas and concepts.  Here it seems most are retired WIBC board members who have been on the USBC side since the merger.  But that is a whole different can of worms.

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2015, 01:35:28 PM »
I would be willing to pay more to the National governing body, as long as they use it to further the sport. I like the idea of USBC working to promote the WPBA and would be interested in them doing the same for the PBA.

At the local level, I'm still not sure that where the money goes is beneficial. I've been a local director and thought the entire thing was a waste of time and money. We had a "report" each meeting on what the association had in the bank. We had quite a bit of money invested in mutual funds, but I didn't see any of it being used to further bowling.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2015, 03:16:19 PM »
I would be willing to pay more to the National governing body, as long as they use it to further the sport. I like the idea of USBC working to promote the WPBA and would be interested in them doing the same for the PBA.

At the local level, I'm still not sure that where the money goes is beneficial. I've been a local director and thought the entire thing was a waste of time and money. We had a "report" each meeting on what the association had in the bank. We had quite a bit of money invested in mutual funds, but I didn't see any of it being used to further bowling.



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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 05:12:52 PM »
Why not join the local association board and be part of the solution or at least attend the yearly open meeting.

The local association is responsible for certifying the lanes at all houses, scores/awards, running the local senior, mens,  and open tournament,  and if a Hall of Fame, they usually run and put on the banquet for inductees.

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2015, 06:11:06 PM »
As usual, there are always posts pertaining to bowlers not getting value for their measly $20.  But I have yet to see what people EXPECT for their $20. 

What exactly do bowlers want?  Do they want rings?  Do they want a magazine subscription?  Do they want free massages between frames?

What do you want for your $20?

That's what I was going to ask.  I mean I was disappointed when I got a 299 and found out I was not going to get the 299 ring to go with my 298 ring and 300 rings, but, like someone else said I never wear them, although I do know where they all are (now).

For that small amount of money I am just glad there is a website where you can go and see your averages and achievements, and look up other people that you know.  I don't like change though, and I wish they had kept the awards the same over the years instead of constantly changing them, even if they raised the fee a few bucks.


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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2015, 06:31:29 PM »
Why not join the local association board and be part of the solution or at least attend the yearly open meeting.

The local association is responsible for certifying the lanes at all houses, scores/awards, running the local senior, mens,  and open tournament,  and if a Hall of Fame, they usually run and put on the banquet for inductees.


Ii went to a League Meeting with the Local Assn along with maybe 3 League Secretaries and it was a waste of time. Noone I knew then believed a word of what the Center Mgr or the Local Assn people.

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 07:04:38 PM »
"What exactly do bowlers want? "

They want to complain about everything and then expect somebody else to fix it and someone else to pay for it.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2015, 08:39:36 PM »
"What exactly do bowlers want? "

They want to complain about everything and then expect somebody else to fix it and someone else to pay for it.

So true. Very few get involved because its easier not to and blame others.

Its easier just to post #savebowling #bowlingmatters

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2015, 10:13:28 AM »
Went to our local association meeting last year. Good ole' boy network. Same folks, no new ideas.

When I asked about a sport shot league, they thought I was crazy. One director asked me "what do I want to shoot 160?" and I said why do you go to Nationals and shoot 160? How about practice on a tougher shot all year? (Didn't want to hear that)

Well, we are having a sport shot trio league this year, and am ready for the meeting tomorrow. I bet we get none of the association members.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2015, 10:23:07 AM »
Shouldn't that fall on the center not the Association?  Your house proprietor would be the one to talk to in reference to sport condition leagues or practice.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2015, 11:02:28 AM »
My main complaint with the local association is the lack of information distribution.  I have received notice of association meetings as late as the day of.  I guess email is impossible to comprehend and the association website is ridiculous.  Our local by-laws, as shown on the website, have not been updated since 2012.  Meeting minutes have not been added since 2010.  High score information for the association has not been updated since the 2009-2010 season and newsletters have not been either added or done since May 2012.

Perhaps there isn't a need for some of these things.  In my opinion, if nothing changes in the by-laws, at least update the file so people know there weren't any changes. 

At the state level it is no different.  Current events has 6 entries.  Two are the same event and the rest are bad links to events from as long ago as 2013. 

I realize something can be brought up and I will, but in general, things go along no matter what is done.  Even my wife feels I get too worked up about these things.  I just feel more is done for the staff of the association than the bowlers themselves.

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2015, 11:09:21 AM »
What are the staff of the association getting?
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2015, 11:23:55 AM »
The fact remains that the number of bowlers that don’t bowl in USBC sanctioned tournaments, and are now in-eligible for USBC awards is growing. Small amount of money or not, if you literally get no value for your sanction what’s the point?