Luckily, I have been able to reach 800 13 times...but I do have a 589 and 2 579's after 2 where I didn't reach 800. All 3 times, just lost carry. Couldn't not carry the first 2 games and then left 10 pin after 10 pin the last game each time. I shot over 200 each time, just not high enough to reach 800.