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v02maxlefty

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Should bowling centers be included?
« on: June 22, 2004, 05:38:21 PM »
I live and bowl in Columbus, Ohio.  Our city council is going to vote Monday on a complete city wide smoking ban that will include all public buildings,plus all bars and bowling alleys.  As you can imagine, it is a hot debate.  The center I bowl at for my summer sport condition league on Thursday nights, left  nasty mean spirited letters on all the tables in favor of smokers rights.  Basicaly saying that if you can't stand second hand smoke, you should find another activity.  It also stated that a traditional three hour league was to long for partons to go without a smoke.  I personally don't smoke, but I wouldn't let that stop me from bowling.  To all you smokers out there, I am curious.  Will a smoking ban in bowling centers also kill your desire to bowl?  Seems like the centers are really worried about their bottom line, over and above the health risk of second hand smoke does present.

 

livespive

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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2004, 09:05:39 AM »
I would think that Bowling alleys should be included, but bars should not.
Main reason being is that kids are allowd in bowling alleys, not bars.
Eventhough smoking is associated with both, the fact that kids are envolved
should be the determining factor.

SO where in Columbus do you bowl?
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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2004, 09:06:44 AM »
Personally, I would like to have a smoking ban! My whole family smokes, and Im used to it, but it gets old. Especially when I go to do the thing I love, to go bowling, and have to deal with it there to. I know smokers would raise all heck if they tried to ban it here!
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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2004, 09:07:19 AM »
I bowl in a NON smoking bowling center and I love it.. Smokers can smoke in the bar so I still have to deal with that if I want a beer..

I have bowled in centers that still allow smoking and its aweful. I enjoy bowling much more when I don't have to deal with the smoke, thats for sure..
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michelle

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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2004, 10:00:39 AM »
If a proprietor left a letter like that for me, I believe I would have to thank them for addressing what activities I should choose to be participating in...and then seek out something outside of that center or any owned by the proprietor.

Hell, I walked away from bowling once, I could do it again.

The difference between smoking and non-smoking centers is dramatic...it really is nice to finish bowling and know the only funk to wash away is the dirt from the lanes.  The stench from cigarette smoke is absolutely sickening.

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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2004, 10:05:56 AM »
michelle,

Amen to what you said about the smell thing. Also, the most annoying thing to me is to see someone that smokes leave their "cancer stick" still lit and sitting in an ashtray while they go bowl and all that smoke billowing into the air for everyone to breath.. How rude is that??


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DanH78

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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2004, 10:13:29 AM »
I don't think I've ever come home reaking of smoke, and I can't remember that smell on my dad in over 15 years.  We've never bowled in a non smoking house.  Maybe the answer is better air purifiers/ventilation systems.  

I don't have a problem if a proprieter CHOOSES to ban smoking, but it should be up to him how he wants to run his business.  A suburb up here recently tried to ban smoking everywhere except bars and Cigar shops.  Well, there is a bar a few doors down from the cigar shop (one of the largest in the state) but since they sell food, he would have to ban smoking.  WEll a huge amount of his business comes from that cigar shop.  He took them to court and he won.  

Why shouldn't a business owner be concerned with their bottom line?  If you operate in the red long enough you go out of business and then no one can use your services.  By forcing a ban like this, you take away any competive advantage you can gain by either allowing, or not allowing smoking.  It's differentiation and it's good for all business.
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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2004, 10:24:24 AM »
I have to say It is hell for me bowling when people are smoking around me. when I'm trying to breathe and all I get is the smoke from the 4 smokers cigarrets burning while there bowling and not even putting them out. If you wanto smoke atleast get the hell away from me I mean I'm trying to bowl not breathe in smoke. I really hate smokers I know it is wrong but I really hate them.

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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2004, 10:25:09 AM »
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If smokers can endure a 4 hr flight, surely they can endure a 3 hr league.
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Yeah, but they can't exactly step out to suck a butt real quick on an airplane, can they?
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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 10:27:50 AM »
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I have to say It is hell for me bowling when people are smoking around me. when I'm trying to breathe and all I get is the smoke from the 4 smokers cigarrets burning while there bowling and not even putting them out. If you wanto smoke atleast get the hell away from me I mean I'm trying to bowl not breathe in smoke. I really hate smokers I know it is wrong but I really hate them.


I don't know if you've got any dollar stores in your area, but I picked up a mini fan for a buck and it takes two AA batteries.  I have it sitting on my table during bowling to a) keep my hand cool since it's summer, and b) blow smoke back at the people who are bowling next to me.  I love that thing.  And only a dollar!
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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 10:30:41 AM »
I just don't like "rude" smokers and everyone knows what I am talking about.. If a smoker wants to smoke and kill themselves, thats their business, but don't make me breath in that crap..

I am also delaing with a mother that has emphysema and is on 24 hour oxygen because of 50+ years of smoking. She can't walk 10 feet without being out of breath and its a d_mn shame because the rest of her body is in pretty good shape, all except her lungs from all those years of smoking..

I wish they would raise the price of tobacco so high, no one could afford it.. That might save hundereds, probably thousands of people per year from dying of cancer and other horrible diseases from smoking..
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card79

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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2004, 10:37:03 AM »
The ban does not bother me except in one sense.  The fact that slowing we seem to be losing our freedom's in this country.  Is it acceptable to hurt others.  NO, but it is legal to smoke.  Where does the banning stop I guess.  Soon will nobody be able to smoke outside?  Will they be required to only smoke in their vehicle or home.  Unless somebody goes to their home and objects then they can't do it there.

I don't want the smoke and that is my choice.  I dipped snuff for 14 years and people would always rip at that and I always said well atleast the only person I hurt was myself, but come on people isn't this getting crazy.  Why don't they just ban tobacco usage all together and get it over with.  The government can hold our hand through life telling us what is good and what is bad and keep us safe.
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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2004, 10:38:50 AM »
The rule now where I bowl is the bowlers are supposed to smoke
behind the seating area but some don't abide by this rule. A
couple of years ago one of the guys was smoking a cigar and he
was actually bowling with it hanging out of his mouth. A
smoking ban would be fine with me. It would be nice to go home
after bowling and not have my clothes smell of smoke.


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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2004, 10:40:20 AM »
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Yeah, but they can't exactly step out to suck a butt real quick on an airplane, can they?
 


...well, they can briefly.


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Re: Should bowling centers be included?
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2004, 10:41:17 AM »
Jim-

First I am very sorry for your mother's illness that is always tough to see somebody you love suffer.  Here comes the big but though and I am not talking about me.

We will all pass from something and unfortunately when it is our time it is our time no matter the reason.  I have known quite a few that got cancer and lung diseases with never having smoked one cigarette.  I agree with you though that the rude smokers need to be dealt with and I do that personally right up front.  To blame disease and deaths on tobacco though I think is crazy.  If these people had never used they would have died or gotten sick anyway.
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