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Spinners - Observing success with this style
« on: January 16, 2015, 11:14:58 AM »
We have several teen girls that have that spinner type release and they are having success on the lanes. When the lanes dry up this style of bowler is deadly.

Even on a fresh house shot, one teen that used to struggle on it, just bought a high end ball. The ball checks up sooner for her and she is mixing up the pins.


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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 11:29:21 AM »
I know a few good ones in the area.  Ones that are athletic with their game are killer...some ate garbage though...
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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2015, 11:34:10 AM »
Had one on my team a few years ago, but was a dude... in his 50s.  He was pretty decent at it.

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 11:45:08 AM »
Spinners can be very effective when there is ample friction.  THS always has a bunch of friction outside.  Drawback is longer flatter oil.

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2015, 12:05:19 PM »
Are you talking about a true spinner release like they do very well with in Taiwan?


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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2015, 05:17:48 PM »
Are you talking about a true spinner release like they do very well with in Taiwan?



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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2015, 05:58:42 PM »
Are you talking about a true spinner release like they do very well with in Taiwan?


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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2015, 06:53:01 PM »
I have been accused many times of throwing a spinner, but really, I just have a poor release.

I found it interesting that the spinner bowler only used his thumb and ring finger.

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2015, 07:10:55 PM »
if you look closely the spinner guy only puts his ring finger in the ball.

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2015, 10:27:15 AM »
Helicopter is most extreme spinner.  Everythng between that and a full roller has elements of spin.  The more you circle the ball counter clockwise on the release the lower the track and the more you approach a spinner

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2015, 12:08:20 PM »
That is very true. The helicopter release gained popularity a few years back in some of the Far East countries that had lane beds that were very old (wood lanes). Scoring conditions were tough and very unpredictable. Hooking the ball was often a gamble.
A spinner (or in this case the extreme "helicopter") allowed the bowler to keep his/her trajectory pretty straight farther downlane. In many ways, these types of conditions were fairly common when I first started to bowl over 50 years ago. The lanes would often develop a track. If the track was well worn, scoring would often be very difficult. In those days, balls did not have the dynamic cores and aggressive coverstocks of the balls of today. In addition, lanes were often oiled by hand, gutter to gutter (and beyond-lol), and for most of the lane's length. The only "friction" to be found was in this track area. Misses to the right (or left) of the track were out of bounds, regardless of one's rev rate. For this reason, the spinner was a very effective way to keep the ball within the track without it overreacting. Many top PBA stars of
that era won titles throwing spinners (Don Johnson, Gary Dickinson, Glenn Allison, to name a few). This is one of the reasons why a lot of old timers (myself included),
still have to work very hard at keeping our thumbs "up" in today's scoring environment---an environment of synthetic lane surfaces, higher and slicker oil
volumes and viscosities, where the spinner is no longer effective unless there is
a lot of friction on the lane.

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2015, 02:35:26 PM »
If "spinning" the ball was effective in the long haul, the Pros would be perfecting it and using it. Don't kid yourself the most effective carry happens when the ball is in full forward roll with a slight axis tilt as it hits the pins. Watch ANY top average bowler and you will see how the ball carries pins with this release. More and more bowlers are getting away from the skid/flip release and going to an earlier roll release. "Helicopter" bowlers were a fad in the far East where lane conditions were horrible and pins were the same as were the bowlers.
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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2015, 02:51:08 PM »
That is very true. The helicopter release gained popularity a few years back in some of the Far East countries that had lane beds that were very old (wood lanes). Scoring conditions were tough and very unpredictable. Hooking the ball was often a gamble.
A spinner (or in this case the extreme "helicopter") allowed the bowler to keep his/her trajectory pretty straight farther downlane. In many ways, these types of conditions were fairly common when I first started to bowl over 50 years ago. The lanes would often develop a track. If the track was well worn, scoring would often be very difficult. In those days, balls did not have the dynamic cores and aggressive coverstocks of the balls of today. In addition, lanes were often oiled by hand, gutter to gutter (and beyond-lol), and for most of the lane's length. The only "friction" to be found was in this track area. Misses to the right (or left) of the track were out of bounds, regardless of one's rev rate. For this reason, the spinner was a very effective way to keep the ball within the track without it overreacting. Many top PBA stars of
that era won titles throwing spinners (Don Johnson, Gary Dickinson, Glenn Allison, to name a few). This is one of the reasons why a lot of old timers (myself included),
still have to work very hard at keeping our thumbs "up" in today's scoring environment---an environment of synthetic lane surfaces, higher and slicker oil
volumes and viscosities, where the spinner is no longer effective unless there is
a lot of friction on the lane.

Well, that explains my release.  Learned to bowl in the 60's on dry lanes as a kid trying to make the ball hook.

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2015, 10:16:06 PM »
I too learned to bowl in the 60's and there were certainly a few old worn out wood houses left.  However the vast majority of centers were less than 10 years old with wood lanes in pretty good shape.  I worked in an 8 lane center as a teenager and did the lanes with a spray gun and Turkish towels to buff.  Took the sprayer to 45 feet and walked back pumping the handle and keeping the nozzle about knee high.  Cut off the spray at the dots.  Let the oil settle for about 15 minutes, then buffed from foul line to head pin and back again.  Those lanes started very slick, but the soft lacquer finish tracked quickly, and you could hook the ball decently by the second game.  Big time ob outside 10, but great track between 10 and 15.  End over end roll with soft speed worked best on the longer oil patterns.  Still a lot of full roller around, and they worked well if you encountered something walled up off the corner ( yes they walled them in the 60's too ). 

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Re: Spinners - Observing success with this style
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2015, 09:13:57 AM »
Did anyone watch the PBA Telecast yesterday. Wasn't Parkins release more of a Spinning Release?
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