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Sport Bowling is not the answer
« on: May 13, 2010, 06:37:01 AM »

This article is by PBA Hall of Famer Johnny Petraglia.The article was written in 2001.
The article is very detailed and long.WHAT DO YOU THINK?


 Here's the simple truth: Sport Bowling is not the answer

I WANT TO MAKE ONE THING VERY clear: I love bowling. I'm extremely concerned about the continuing escalation of scores and how it hurts bowling's credibility as a sport. I'm as much in favor of scores going down as anybody. However, I fear we're taking the wrong steps to correct the problem by rushing to judgment with Sport Bowling, which is characterized by a strict, universal lane oil condition that is being implemented by bowling's governing bodies.


Let's consider why Sport Bowling is touted as the answer. The American Bowling Congress and its executive director, Roger Dalkin--for whom I have the greatest respect--are under a lot of pressure to lower scores. Although the ABC sanctions balls and pins as well as lanes, lane sanctioning historically has been the most important aspect of the organization. That's not wrong, but that emphasis means other factors that affect scoring are overlooked.

There's a growing worldwide sentiment that there should be one standard lane condition for all to play on. I know it's a response to the cry to make lanes fair for everyone--righthanders and lefthanders, heavy rollers and spinners. But what makes bowling great is the inherent variety of playing conditions. It leads to the kind of clubhouse discussion that makes players into legends: Who's the best on the easy conditions? Who's the best on the tough ones? Who's the best on the gutter? On the fifth arrow? Who can dominate from anywhere?

Specifying a universal lane condition would be like mandating that every golf course in the world be the same. You'd never truly test the skills of the players. Why? It's because the one major flaw of bowling--which is nobody's fault--is that, unlike other sports, a tough condition isn't equally tough for everyone. Bowlers stick with one specific technique, no matter what condition is put down.

A universal condition would entrust one person or organization to decide which technique would succeed and which would fail. And who is smart enough, fair enough, or unprejudiced enough to make that kind of judgment? Hundreds of thousands of bowlers should determine the ideal technique through actual performance. That's what I fear won't happen if we have a uniform lane condition. Sport Bowling is the first step toward that end.

Admittedly, lane conditions today are designed to accommodate the higher-average bowlers and their $200 bowling balls; unfortunately, that's only a small percentage of participants. What happens to the rest of the bowling population--for instance, kids 11 and 12 years old or senior citizens, who use 10-, 11- and 12-pound plastic house balls with conventional grips? These bowlers play with the same equipment that was used 20 years ago, on lanes conditioned for someone throwing proactive equipment that could break 30 boards. They're being asked to compete on conditions a hundred times tighter than they were 20 years ago. It's the equivalent of asking them to play against Tiger Woods at Pebble Beach with only a 5-iron.

If you doubt this, all you have to do is take a ball that was the top of the line 10 years ago and roll it down a freshly oiled lane. That ball is going to hydroplane 60 feet. Imagine what a plastic ball will do on the same condition! No matter how good a bowler's mechanics and execution, the ball is never going to hook, and it's never going to get to the pocket.

I can't tell you how many hours I've spent teaching junior bowlers proper form and delivery, and then had to explain why their balls won't hook when they're doing everything I ask. All I can tell them is that they need a different, more expensive ball for that to happen. In the meantime, they see the scoring gap between themselves and bowlers with better equipment getting wider and wider, and their frustration grows.

If a sport lane condition designed to reduce hooking is laid down, the situation will get even worse because lower-tech balls will never "match up" with a sport condition. ("Matching up" refers to the way a bowler's style, equipment, and amount of hook combine to satisfy what a lane condition dictates must happen to maximize hit and carry.)

Here's an example of how crucial matching up is to success: I rolled a perfect game on national TV back in 1994, even though minutes before airtime I couldn't get close to the headpin with the ball I'd used all week. Ray Edwards, Brunswick's ball rep for the tour, handed me a ball I hadn't touched during the tournament. That's what I used for the 300.

I bowled against another lefthander in that match, Eric Forkel. He used the ball he'd thrown all week and scored around 190. No one else on the telecast broke 200, including Walter Ray Williams Jr. and Dave and Dale Traber. If I hadn't switched balls right before the show, I wouldn't have, either. The 300 had nothing to do with the lane conditions that day. It had everything to do with what was in my hand and how that ball reacted to the lane condition. That shows you how important matching up is.

 Back in the days of hard robber or plastic balls, matching up was not that important because there were fewer equipment choices. The greater variety of balls today makes matching up more critical to success. Matching up can affect the outcome of any competition between two equally talented players.

And matching up is just one concern. We must also consider how a sport condition affects lane topography. The PBA lane men tell us that as little as 20/1,000ths of an inch completely changes a lane. The more critical the lane condition, the more prominence the variance assumes.

What happened at this year's Senior Masters illustrates this point. The tournament featured a sport condition pattern, and it took a score of 67 under to make the top 64. One of every four bowlers in the field averaged 197 or better. Given that bowlers with all kinds of styles made the cut, you might think that this proved the sport condition produced a level, true-scoring playing field. But once match play began and bowlers were confined to a specific pair of lanes the same way a league bowler is, it was a very different story. One pair of lanes could yield a 780-750 match, and on the pair directly to the right a bowler would win 580-550. Same condition, same house--vastly different results from pair to pair.

The only way to explain the discrepancy is that the condition magnified the variances in lane topography, something that was disguised during the qualifying when players bowled on all the lanes in the house. This difference showed up within pairs, too. We had a situation where Dave Soutar beat Dave Davis, 804-616. It was obvious that on this particular pair, while Soutar wasn't bowling on a stringent sport condition any longer, Davis was. The variance in lane topography affected the contest more than it should have; in fact, the sport condition amplified the variance.

Right now, use of the sport condition is optional. I suppose that could work if the proprietor is willing to invest in the necessary equipment and personnel and restructure his league schedules to allow time to strip the house condition and put down a sport condition, then strip the sport condition and put back the house condition for the next league--if bowlers are willing to start their leagues a half-hour later to accommodate the switches. However, that's a lot of "ifs" to ask of a proprietor already pressed to meet customer demands.

The alternative is to use Sport Bowling as the one-size-fits-all house condition. I fear that will drive even more people away from bowling than we have already--not only the kids and the seniors I've already mentioned, but middle-aged adults, too, and for the same reason: frustration.

Let me illustrate with another golf analogy. Let's say the golf industry decided to make the hole cup the size of a dinner plate because its leaders thought more people would play if it were easier to shoot the ball into the cup. Inside of a generation, all the golf pros would shoot in the 50s, because they all would have titanium shafts, perimeter-weighted clubs, balls that would fly farther, and a cup the size of a dinner plate.

 People would start complaining that they wanted a return to the old par golf. So a golf course architect would be hired and told, "We want you to get par back to 72. But you can't touch the cup, the clubs, or the balls." That architect would grow the rough eight inches high, make the fairways more narrow, put in a lake here and a trap there, and make the greens lightning fast. The result? The course would be back to a par 72. In addition, everybody would hate playing golf.

Why? Because all of a sudden you would be asked to play at Woods' level, on his conditions (but without his equipment), every week for 36 weeks. And after that, you'd be expected to sign up for another 36 weeks of torture on the same condition.


Would you be happy about that? I doubt it. You wouldn't mind playing on this condition every once in a while, just to see what it's like to be a pro, but you wouldn't want your brains beaten in every week for 36 weeks--and have to pay for the privilege!

All the golf industry would have to do would be to shrink the cup back to normal size, change the balls or the clubs, and leave the course alone. It's the same with bowling. If bowlers are allowed to play their own games, to their own ability level, then whoever is more highly skilled and has better execution will win. Sport Bowling doesn't allow that to happen. It makes bowlers play--match up--to a predetermined formula. What's worse, it makes it possible for a lesser-skilled bowler to beat a great talent like Williams, because it prevents Walter Ray from playing his own game. It would be like a 12-handicap golfer--the equivalent of a 190-average bowler in our game--beating Woods in a round of golf.

I saw how this could happen in our game at this year's PBA Orleans Casino Open, which was played on a sport condition. Walter Ray rolled a 148 game to my right while I was carding a 161. To my left, Wayne Webb was posting a 136. Can you imagine the outcry if the same thing had happened in golf, with Tiger shooting 90 or more? You can bet the PGA would never return to that course!

Keep the current lane condition guidelines. Change the pins and the bowling balls instead. If the pins are as heavy as they've always been, make them even heavier--four pounds apiece, if need be.

How will that affect things? Well, say a righthander averages 185. Because the pins are heavier, he's going to leave one extra 10-pin every game. (A lefthander, of course, would leave the 7-pin.) A 185-average bowler misses about one of every seven spare attempts, and you've just given him an extra spare to shoot. So, his average likely will go down by 10 pins--to 175--without changing anything except the weight of the pin. You've just changed the scoring environment without touching the lanes.

Couple a change in pin weight with some equipment restrictions, and we can bring scoring down 20 pins a game! We can't stifle technology, but we can certainly restrict how a ball is drilled or manipulated. We can require pin placement to be no more than a half-inch outside the grip, outlaw extra holes, and forbid changing the bull's original surface. There are many ways to manipulate equipment and make it tougher to knock down pins.

 Changing pins and balls also reduces the potential for cheating. Once a four-pound pin becomes standard, it's what a proprietor has to buy. Once the extra hole is outlawed, it's easy to tell if a ball is in compliance.

But how do we stop an unethical proprietor from cheating on a lane condition? Anyone can say, "Oh, yeah, I'm offering the sport condition for this league" and not do it, cheating his bowlers out of something they're paying for.

If we change pins or balls instead of lane conditions, bowlers can still get the ball to the pocket if they make a good shot. At the end of the day, they'll be able to compare their performances to that of a Williams or Robert Smith more equitably (because the pros will be bowling with the same pin and equipment restrictions) and say, "If only I could have carded a little better" or "If I just could have made my spares."

Bowlers will better appreciate why the pros are so good at what they do and recognize that their errors come from within. They'll realize they need to get in better condition, become better versed technically, and practice more to get to the professional level. Most important, with pin and ball changes as opposed to lane condition changes, the lesser-skilled bowler never beats the Williamses of the world. Never. And isn't that what we're trying to achieve?

If we decide juniors and seniors need lighter pins, fine--we can make that allowance. We can keep the lighter pins for them and go to the heavier ones for regular adult competition. It should take no more time to change sets of pins than it would to strip and put down a sport condition between leagues and reverse the procedure afterward. Making changes to the pin and ball restrictions, and not the lanes, is the way we should be going right now.

If pin and ball changes prove not to be the answer, then, of course, changes in lane conditions can be investigated. But there's been too big a rush to implement Sport Bowling. The industry's job is to get people back into bowling, and keep them there. I ask of all those involved: Don't put down a condition that makes that impossible.

Johnny Petraglia is a PBA Hall-of-Famer with 18 career titles.






 

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Re: Sport Bowling is not the answer
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 02:57:35 PM »
Well, us crankers that were around in the 80 s did it. I would love to do it again. Nothing better than being able to square up and bowl like the old days.

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 03:00:32 PM »
Weaker balls will hurt the tweener, stroker the most. These are the guys that wont carry as good, without technology. In the early 90 s when reactive came around I saw alot of 195 tweener, stroker guys go right to 210-215. It was all carry with the new balls.

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 03:12:51 PM »
I love weaker drilled equipement. I use my Storm T-Road Pearl and Natural A LOT. I have a Gravity Shift and well, this past week was the 1st time I used it since I bought it 4 months ago. So bring on weaker bowling balls!

Making the pins heavier will effect carry but will it effect carry that much to make it worth the change? Plus, if you make the pins heavier all that will happen is make the bowler roll the ball faster.

Scores will still improve once we all figure out how to play with the new mandated balls and regain pin carry with entry angle and ball speed.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 03:16:00 PM »
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Well, us crankers that were around in the 80 s did it. I would love to do it again. Nothing better than being able to square up and bowl like the old days.


+1, I'll welcome not having guys with half my rev rate inside of me blowing a hole in the pattern anyday.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 04:23:59 PM »
The thing to remember is ball tech is not going to get dialed back. If anything, it will just keep advancing. Especially if the USBC loses viability and it falls to the BPAA to maintain standards.

You also have to realize that with each passing year, you lose yet another group of bowlers who could strap plastic in the 70s/80s and hook the whole lane if they wanted to. Therefore, the face of the league bowler continues to change to people who grew up in the game post-1992 when resin hit. Good luck trying to sell this: "Hey USBC league bowlers, most of whom are still tweener/stroker types, we want to make your balls illegal and give the advantage back to the high-rev dominator types, and we need you to voluntarily allow us to do that. Deal?" Not happening.

Scoring and bowling popularity have nothing to do with one another. People keep trying to make that connection and it does not work. Socioeconomic changes, the loss of domestic manufacturing jobs (i.e., the shift worker who could always be on a league at a specific time) and the general shift towards video games, Internet, etc., has done a thousand times the damage of soft conditions to the USBC's roster.

Sure, there are some guys who quit because it got too easy. But many of them are actually quitting because they're getting older and are no longer able to maintain their average of 5-10 years ago. So they quit for reasons of pride, but blame it on the game because doing so absolves them of responsibility.

If league bowlers were really serious about wanting a challenge, we'd all be bowling PBAX right now. That stuff works as an average reducer. But nobody really, honestly wants it bad enough to vote in the change.

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 04:28:25 PM »
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The thing to remember is ball tech is not going to get dialed back. If anything, it will just keep advancing. Especially if the USBC loses viability and it falls to the BPAA to maintain standards.

You also have to realize that with each passing year, you lose yet another group of bowlers who could strap plastic in the 70s/80s and hook the whole lane if they wanted to. Therefore, the face of the league bowler continues to change to people who grew up in the game post-1992 when resin hit. Good luck trying to sell this: "Hey USBC league bowlers, most of whom are still tweener/stroker types, we want to make your balls illegal and give the advantage back to the high-rev dominator types, and we need you to voluntarily allow us to do that. Deal?" Not happening.

Scoring and bowling popularity have nothing to do with one another. People keep trying to make that connection and it does not work. Socioeconomic changes, the loss of domestic manufacturing jobs (i.e., the shift worker who could always be on a league at a specific time) and the general shift towards video games, Internet, etc., has done a thousand times the damage of soft conditions to the USBC's roster.

Sure, there are some guys who quit because it got too easy. But many of them are actually quitting because they're getting older and are no longer able to maintain their average of 5-10 years ago. So they quit for reasons of pride, but blame it on the game because doing so absolves them of responsibility.

If league bowlers were really serious about wanting a challenge, we'd all be bowling PBAX right now. That stuff works as an average reducer. But nobody really, honestly wants it bad enough to vote in the change.

Jess





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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 04:45:33 PM »
Petraglia's story is interesting and have some things to add to it. I have been a strong advocate of having the PBA change the weight and color of the pins for many years. Not just for the telecast, but a requirement the tour changes the weight and color of the pin for the entire tournament.
I'd never agree with this on the USBC circut. If you make 4 pound + pins to bowlers unable to generate enough ball speed or have to use a lighter ball, whether who the person is thier scores will go down and the higher average bowler that does throw a stronger ball with 15 or 16 pound balls will not have as much of an impact...just a small impact on thier average. What Johnny failed to mention is not everyone that is a senior citizen or teenager throw weak balls. There are plenty of middle aged decent bowlers that throw a 12 mph ball that isn't really powerful but is decently accurate. So your going to hurt these type of bowlers and watch power player receive little impact of this.

One other problem with heavy pins is the toll on the lane machines. I remember A-2 machines accross the country 10 years ago having these issues.

Another idea that has been floating around for years is the actual shape of the pin. Changing the RG of the pin to changing the bottom of the pin making it flatter is an idea.


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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 04:58:22 PM »
I agree with Jess. I talk to ex bowlers all the time that say the cost of bowling all together has drove them out of the sport. If you take my family and we bowl a mixed league that cost $15.00 a week. If we spend the $7-8 per meal that most bowling alleys charge our monthly expense to bowl is $184 per month. This is bowling and food only. Just a note bowling is $40 more a month than my car insurance on two cars. If we win the league we win $300 per person. The cost of living has gone up so much that people just don't have the money they used to. Lineage in my area has increased for the last 15 years it hasn't decreased. 10 Years ago I was paying $8.50 a week to bowl the same league and food cost $4-5 per meal. What service do they offer me for my increase cost? Nothing I get the same service at an increased cost. I think I would point my finger at this more than I would for scores. It’s easy to stay at home and watch TV or find other things that doesn’t cost as much.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 05:39:23 PM »
s1nger1 .. agree with you 100%. Don't know if you recall SAWBONES .. but I argued with him many times that COST is driving bowlers away .. most members thought that bowling cost were keeping in line with the economy! Can't get the point across when responding folks depend on income from bowling!

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010, 06:35:01 PM »
What do I think?

  I think I am amazed that there are guys on here who either didn't read what you put here, or just clearly don't understand it.

  Johhny's whole point was that sports conditions, a.k.a. PBAX, just are NOT the answer, even goes into lengthy detail why, yet they are mentioned as the answer to averages and several users agreed. HUH????

  One of the charms of bowling was its simplicity. You had a ball, and you threw it at some pins. How well you did this depended solely on you and your ability to perform the correct actions in the correct manner, NOT whther you had an equipment advantage.

 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, or the genie back in the bottle, so I don't suppose there's much to be done about this either, except read 9 year old articles about how we could've already taken steps to fix things and didn't.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 07:19:24 PM »
Jug .. I DID NOT read the article .. only responded to the person who posted before me .. GUILTY AS CHARGED!
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2010, 07:23:07 PM »
i disagree with the article.  Lane conditions dictate everything.

"It makes bowlers play--match up--to a predetermined formula. What's worse, it makes it possible for a lesser-skilled bowler to beat a great talent like Williams, because it prevents Walter Ray from playing his own game. It would be like a 12-handicap golfer--the equivalent of a 190-average bowler in our game--beating Woods in a round of golf"

>>>>>>>this is not going to happen if the shot is "hard".  On a legitimate sport pattern, a 190 average house shot bowler has no chance against any exempt player, especially walter ray.  Now when the 230-240 average house bowler bowls against walter on a sport pattern, it might be feasible if the bowler is a quality player and not a product of the shot.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2010, 11:26:40 PM »
I was talking to a distributor rep and former Big B staffer about this recently. I am a proponent of bringing back the heavier pins but I also want to see patterns changed. Not to the PBA or sport patterns where there is no are on the lane. I remember bowling 25 years ago and having 3-5 boards of area. These newer patterns don't allow that. What I want to see is wider, longer, and flatter patterns combined with the heavier pins to decrease pin action.

Imho the pin action is the difference in todays game. How many guys were throwing messengers with urethane???
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2010, 12:26:28 AM »
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i disagree with the article. Lane conditions dictate everything.


 Yes, they CAN, but SHOULD they?

 By instituting the tougher "sport shot" conditions, a sanctioning body has, for the first time in history, INTENTIONALLY made their sport harder.

 Everybody always likes to use golf analogies, so I guess I may as well use that as an example as well.

 WHY do you think that golfs governing body has made rules SPECIFICALLY LIMITING TECHNOLOGY? There are drivers, wedges, putters, balls, tees ,club shafts, and on and on and on that have been either restricted, or altogether banned, from use in sanctioned tournaments. WHY IS THAT?

 Answer: Because it gives players with less talent and physical ability an unfair edge that they did not have to earn.

 Name me ANY other sport where it has been seen as a good thing for the "playing field" to have been levelled.

 Football perhaps? Baseball? Hockey? How about basketball?  I don't feel that its fair for Dwight Howard to be able to jump higher than me, so I want some special shoes that'll let me jump just as high. Would that be fair? Now add in the fact that he has to handicap me 90% of the difference between our average scores as well and, oh yeah, since he's so much taller than me, he can't get any closer to the goal than 15ft. Ridiculous, isn't it? Yet that's what's been done in bowling.

 Sports should be strictly regulated. Limits should be placed on just how much technology can be infused into sporting equipment and just how much that technology can change the performance of the basic equipment, including bowling equipment.

 The equipment, and the premise, of all sports should be kept very basic and very simple, leaving the results to the competitor who is physically able to perform the requirements of the sports at the highest level.

 When you have to intentionally try to make your sport harder to try to make up for technological advances that you've already let in, you are in a "no win" situation, and that's what has happened to bowling.
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