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txbowler

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Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« on: July 29, 2013, 04:25:32 PM »
Isn't it possible that if USBC or lane maintenance really wanted to stop teams/bowlers from blowing open patterns, they could simply increase the oil volumes to an extreme amount?

If you put 300 units on a lane, doesn't that in essence make it impossible to blow open in a 3 game set?

 

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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 04:27:00 PM »
Do we ever get tired of this subject and variations of it??   :o ;D ;D
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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 04:47:50 PM »
I was more curious about the practicality of it.  Can a lane machine put that much oil on a lane, etc...?

Not if it was the correct moral or ethical decision.

After reading several posts about today's ball coverstocks make most patterns meaningless on the right side after a game or 2...

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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 04:54:05 PM »
The machine should be able to I would think.

If you had a longer pattern like Shark, but put the volume of oil that Cheeta has in the heads for the entire length, that would be one heavy long pattern. It would probably take quite a few games to remove all of that oil.


I was more curious about the practicality of it.  Can a lane machine put that much oil on a lane, etc...?

Not if it was the correct moral or ethical decision.

After reading several posts about today's ball coverstocks make most patterns meaningless on the right side after a game or 2...
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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 05:03:33 PM »
Doesnt matter, the top amatuers will still get to the pocket, they will still strike. Maybe not as often, but they will. The problem will lie with the "average bowler", this bowler will be looking at 1150-1200 for all events. Trying to "lock out" the guys who know what they are doing will only make it worse for a large percentage of bowlers.
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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 06:04:27 PM »
The lanes will break down now matter what. Even if the team wasn't working together they are going to be playing in the same ball park because of the amount of oil on the lanes.

Yes you can flood the lanes front to back such that the ball will never move even with a team effort. Then it will be a matter or rolling the ball straight at the pocket and hoping for carry with little deflection.

It would be much easier to go the other direction and make the oil pattern as light as possible.
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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 07:13:19 PM »
The lanes will break down now matter what. Even if the team wasn't working together they are going to be playing in the same ball park because of the amount of oil on the lanes.

Yes you can flood the lanes front to back such that the ball will never move even with a team effort. Then it will be a matter or rolling the ball straight at the pocket and hoping for carry with little deflection.

It would be much easier to go the other direction and make the oil pattern as light as possible.

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Or the industry develops a product that protects the heads from damage from the impact of the bowling ball (the original intent of lane conditioner, BTW) and make the oil so it never moves, disintegrates, dissipates, etc. Obviously, it will be made by a magic genie that will guarantee to fill every bowling center with bowlers as well.

Give up, folks. Bowling will disappear completely long before this discussion is over.

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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 10:02:26 PM »
Why?

Why wouldn't or couldn't the industry ever create some sort of substance that may be oil based or some other substance that does not stick to the coverstock of a bowling ball and thus cannot be manipulated once applied as a pattern on a lane?

Wouldn't that ultimately solve a lot of problems in today's bowling world if that solution could be found?


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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 10:10:22 PM »
Why?

Why wouldn't or couldn't the industry ever create some sort of substance that may be oil based or some other substance that does not stick to the coverstock of a bowling ball and thus cannot be manipulated once applied as a pattern on a lane?

Wouldn't that ultimately solve a lot of problems in today's bowling world if that solution could be found?



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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 11:06:14 PM »


"Or the industry develops a product that protects the heads from damage from the impact of the bowling ball (the original intent of lane conditioner, BTW) and make the oil so it never moves, disintegrates, dissipates, etc."

Aren't the new Fire and Ice oils designed to be a step closer to just this?  Obviously, there is a ways to go to formulate a conditioner that maintains its integrity in spite of oil sucking balls being thrown on it, but it seems that at least Kegel is working towards this goal.

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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 11:28:39 PM »
If lanes never break down you lose a key element of the game. Transition and the ability to adapt to it. The lanes dont always break down evenly or consistantly. This will also apply to THS shots. You will make the game easier by taking away some of the difficulty many struggle with.
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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 05:49:11 AM »
I just don't get it.  It's not like 5 chops get together with their 180 grit balls, blow open the pattern and shoot 3500.  The teams that win at the USBC are never a fluke.  Great bowlers that bowl well together as a team win at the USBC's.   

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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 08:36:10 AM »
I think the real issue (in my opinion) is most people are jealous of these teams that actually "gamplan" and ultimately execute said plan.  I've seen numerous threads where people were mad about wrecking the "shim" 

I totally agree that the people who win eagles are not your average THS guy, these guys are simply that good.  It wouldn't matter what the scoring condition is, the cream will always rise to the top.  Look at the numbers in another thread about the average scores from the Open, tom dick & harry are averaging sub 160. 


I just don't get it.  It's not like 5 chops get together with their 180 grit balls, blow open the pattern and shoot 3500.  The teams that win at the USBC are never a fluke.  Great bowlers that bowl well together as a team win at the USBC's.   


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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 09:07:42 AM »
Slight correction: 10 bowlers get together, not 5.  Just having a team isn't good enough.
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Re: Stopping Team Lane Carving with Sanded balls/super balls
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 09:10:20 AM »
I don't quite understand why the USBC or bowling center would have to change anything to deal with this.  Why do people seem to have an issue with just adjusting to the condition by either moving positions or changing equipment?

I'm by no means a pro, but I have always believed that it was incumbent upon me to make the necessary adjustments to deal with any changes in the oil pattern.  So, if that means changing where I stand, changing ball speed, changing axis tilt, etc., I just have to do it.  Some people are just better than others at making adjustments sooner than later.
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