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tank38

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String Bowling
« on: June 20, 2022, 01:34:17 PM »
We just had a local house install the string bowling machines and I have to say that this was my first time hearing anything about it but, I'm shocked this house would do this. I have never bowled with these machines and I was wondering what your thoughts were or if any of you had bowled on this before?

I'm not sure how I feel about it but it looks weird.

 

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2022, 02:12:44 PM »
In my opinion, a USBC study has zero credibility. Their "results" seem to consist of whatever bullshit idea Chad is currently pushing.

The USBC is still hesitant to sanction string bowling.  Meanwhile it is certified for sport bowling in Europe, Asia, etc.  People seem not to want it for sanctioned play, and the USBC currently agrees.  This is one time where the bowlers and the USBC tend to agree.

However, I am betting within the next three years string pins will be approved for sanctioned competition and bowling centers will start converting.  USBC will either adopt the IBF standards or draft their own.

https://brunswickbowling.com/company/news/brunswick-stringpin-meets-ibf-specifications-for-use-in-competitive-tournaments-and-leagues

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2022, 02:54:37 PM »
I would probably quit bowling leagues if this became a thing. Which means if I quit leagues, I quit bowling period. It's cool either way for me.

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2022, 04:05:47 PM »
If strings get approved, how does that affect the USBC Open Championships and/or the Women's Championships?
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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2022, 06:11:39 PM »
If the USBC ran golf Augusta would have artificial turf fairways.

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2022, 07:41:15 PM »
USBC will certify string pins. Likely this year. It's coming
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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2022, 08:50:02 AM »
My thought is that competitive bowling would all but cease to exist.  Nobody is going to pay $25.00/night in a money league to deal with foreign objects that affect pin carry.  The USBC Tournament would diminish significantly to a point it may not be worth even having it anymore.  Who is going to fork out $1,000 (providing there are no deals on flights and hotels) to go bowl with stringed pins?  The USBC is hard enough as it is and now they would think about throwing strings into the mix.  It would be a very short list of people that would even bother going to it. 

Here is what I would like to know from USBC:  They are doing everything they can to limit what a bowler can do to a bowling ball once competition starts regarding surface adjustments, cleaners, wrist braces, weight holes, and whatever else that will affect the way a ball rolls but now they want to put strings on pins that will affect the way the pins fall?  Hmmmmm....interesting.
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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2022, 10:37:12 AM »
Bowlero is the force behind this.  Their  string setters promise lower initial cost and even lower maintenance.  Synthetic lanes we're promoted the same way 40years ago.  However we saw that those surfaces had a much shorter life than advertised. Not good for the game as a sport.  Might as well go virtual and put your glasses on.

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2022, 01:20:56 PM »
My thought is that competitive bowling would all but cease to exist.  Nobody is going to pay $25.00/night in a money league to deal with foreign objects that affect pin carry.  The USBC Tournament would diminish significantly to a point it may not be worth even having it anymore.  Who is going to fork out $1,000 (providing there are no deals on flights and hotels) to go bowl with stringed pins?  The USBC is hard enough as it is and now they would think about throwing strings into the mix.  It would be a very short list of people that would even bother going to it. 

Here is what I would like to know from USBC:  They are doing everything they can to limit what a bowler can do to a bowling ball once competition starts regarding surface adjustments, cleaners, wrist braces, weight holes, and whatever else that will affect the way a ball rolls but now they want to put strings on pins that will affect the way the pins fall?  Hmmmmm....interesting.

USBC did a study or said they did that shows the difference in pin carrier from real pins to string pins was a stupid low number less then 3 pins. So if you average 223 on real pins and 220 on string pins then why would the USBC be against it? Anything to lower scoring is good in their opinion
 
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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2022, 02:48:53 PM »
I think it's too early (for me, anyway), to cast an opinion on string bowling.

As far as lane surfaces go, my 50+ years of experience no doubt, places synthetic surfaces far and above wood lanes both in terms of maintenance costs, labor and longevity. I used to work in a 24 lane house years ago. They were a lot of work to keep up. In addition, they had to be resurfaced every 2 years. That center switched to synthetics years ago. No more need for biannual resurfacing, no more filling divots, much less ball damage.They have been a huge improvement over wood surfaces.

In fact, when I saw this thread, I called another one of my longtime friends whose family has owned their center since 1948. I posed this question to him (wood v synthetics?).
"Synthetics are the best, hands down, in terms of cost, labor and longevity",  was his reply.

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2022, 03:56:02 PM »
Bowlero is the force behind this.  Their  string setters promise lower initial cost and even lower maintenance.  Synthetic lanes we're promoted the same way 40years ago.  However we saw that those surfaces had a much shorter life than advertised. Not good for the game as a sport.  Might as well go virtual and put your glasses on.

I can't agree with this; the house here in Sacramento is an independent, not Bowlero.

If there's a force behind this, it actually is QubicaAMF, as they are the ones who are building these.

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2022, 08:25:46 PM »
My bad.  I actually should have said Qubica. 

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2022, 09:29:53 PM »
As bad as the racks are at my local Bowlero center, I’m not sure how much worse it could be with strings.
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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2022, 12:15:44 AM »
My bad.  I actually should have said Qubica.

Actually, I apologize, because I'm wrong as well. I didn't realize Brunswick was also developing the Stringpin.

https://brunswickbowling.com/bowling-centers/equipment-parts-supplies/center-environment/pinsetters/stringpin-pinsetter-2

As bad as the racks are at my local Bowlero center, I’m not sure how much worse it could be with strings.

As long as they stay away from the Stringpin, and the QubicaAMF TMS (meaning, stay with the Brunswick A series or their GS series, or the AMF 82-xx series), you'll be good. Anything Stringpin, TMS, or Edge String, just walk out of the alley.

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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2022, 04:00:12 AM »
Strings are horrible. Such pinsetters are pretty common here in Germany, but you only find them at places that do not feature official sport bowling conditions for tournaments or league play. They are only used in fully recreational locations, and they have been the standard for Kegelbahnen (bowling's 9-pin origins) for decades, because the string pinsetters require much less space and maintenance for the mechanics. I played on string pinsetter lanes and found it horrible. The pin reaction is really poor, as if the pins were "cushioned", with weird pin reactions. And since these locations typically do not cater to sport bowlers (lane conditioner? what?), the lanes are generally not in good shape.
However, recently there has been the discussion among officials to accept lanes with string pinsetters as sport bowling locations, due to the loss of more and more "normal" locations for league play. Not a development that I am looking forward to.
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Re: String Bowling
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2022, 10:11:09 AM »
Reading these comments, its a small miracle we are not still using wood bowling balls. If we are all competing on the same condition, does it really matter what condition that is? Not to the real competitors it doesn't.