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rdw

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Surface on sport patterns
« on: April 14, 2017, 02:36:21 AM »
Hey guys.

Just started bowling on the sport patterns.  Right now long patterns scorpion 47 ft and mark Roth 46 ft on pro anvil lanes.

I'm fairly low rev 275 to 300, 15 to 16 mph and mostly forward roll.  Though frustrating, I like the long patterns cause they expose my mistakes, especially on the release, I tend to top the ball and miss right. 

My ball barely hooks on the long patterns.  And today on scorpion, my jackal le pretty much went straight.  I have no room for error, all my misses right leave the fence or washouts.  My misses left leave 3-6-10 type leaves.

Most of the people around are suggesting to use surface, either 500 or 1000 grit.  My ball wont hook anymore than normal.  But I'm hoping if it picks up sooner.  Some of my misses right might recover enough to hit the head pin and leave a makeable spare?

Thanks for any feedback.

 

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 04:18:33 AM »
1st question is - where is your target on a 46' pattern?
Typically, using the -31 rule, you would have a breakpoint of the 14 board downlane
Long patterns usually mean keeping your ball closer to the headpin, not throwing it away from the headpin as much.
That being said, the volume of the pattern on most long patterns is not that high, so you shouldn't need a ton of surface.
To much surface can remove the oil from the front part of the lane and then the shot becomes even tougher.
you might try a 1000 grit and see what happens, keeping your angles a bit straighter and keeping the headpin in play is the key on tougher flatter patterns

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 05:09:39 AM »
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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 11:03:33 AM »
The biggest problem for most bowlers who are new to longer sport patterns is that swing area is addictive.  The second biggest problem is that more surface will not create swing area, it just takes away hold area.  You do not need to hook the ball to carry.  Therefore work on staying behind the ball.  Then you need to get comfortable going straighter and keeping the ball inside second arrow. 

Long patterns can be the easiest sport patterns, but when we have been exposed to nothing but unlimited swing area on THS, we get a lot of things built in to our approach and arm swing that make playing more direct uncomfortable. 

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 11:18:37 AM »
On longer patterns, I actually start out with something shiny and something that will flip hard. On 47 feet, you only have 13 feet of backend, so you need to get the ball to transition fast. I'll use a Dream or Dream On to get the ball thru the pins correctly, then as the middles track up a bit and the backend get tighter, I'll use something with more surface to slow the transition.

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 11:20:06 AM »
Especially on the longer sport patterns, us mere mortal bowlers will not have success if we throw the ball away from the pocket, it just won't make it back.

Find a line that lets you throw the ball more or less directly at the pocket. Leave make-able spares, convert them and get that occasional strike. That is your best chance of success.

You should use some surface, but don't expect to see the shot shape you get on a THS. The real goal on long sport patterns is to get your ball into a roll close to the pocket, not hook into it. If your ball never picks up a roll, you will have all those weird leaves that you generally don't see on THS. And lots of 5 pins too.
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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 11:25:37 AM »
Facts:

1. just started bowling sport patterns.
2. bowling longer patterns (scorpion and mark roth)
3. low rev rate

My advice:

1. exit point from pattern should be closer to the headpin than a THS (depending on lane topography).
2. surface is your friend if you're ball is not getting into a roll soon enough.
3. straighter is greater.  it's not about total hook, it's about where the ball hooks on the lane. 

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 11:30:19 AM »
Thanks guys.  I was about 12 at the arrows and 14 at the breakpoint.  So I'm not trying to swing it.  My good shots hit the pocket.  I'm just trying to figure a way to hit the headpin on my misses to right, so I can gave a makeable spare.

I  do get what you said about burning up the heads.  By the eighth game, my ball picked up sooner.  But not enough for me to swing it.  And all my misses left just went into the nose.

Thus I'm really confused on what to do.  Last time I played the scorpion, it hooked a few boards on the back end, enough where I could accept my bad shots and have makeable spares.

Also on mark Roth, I could barely hook the ball one time.  Then the next time my friend is hooking it big at the end of the pattern.  I threw a few shots on his lane and sure enough, it picked up early and rolled into the pocket from the outside.

Is it normal for long sport patterns to play so different depending on how you break the lanes down?

Most of the patterns are around 26 ml of oil.  That seems like a lot more than ths.  Maybe I need to formulate a plan on how to break the pattern down better?

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2017, 01:20:01 PM »
Long sport patterns get very easy if you break them down the right way, but get nasty if too many guys are just using a ton of surface to try and create area.  I bowl a lot of long patterns in senior tournaments, and they get dead easy because all us old guys play them pretty direct and let the track open up while we gradually follow the hold area in.  Same pattern with the young guys and I don't score so well. 

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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2017, 01:20:54 PM »
Thanks guys.  I was about 12 at the arrows and 14 at the breakpoint.  So I'm not trying to swing it.  My good shots hit the pocket.  I'm just trying to figure a way to hit the headpin on my misses to right, so I can gave a makeable spare.

I  do get what you said about burning up the heads.  By the eighth game, my ball picked up sooner.  But not enough for me to swing it.  And all my misses left just went into the nose.

Thus I'm really confused on what to do.  Last time I played the scorpion, it hooked a few boards on the back end, enough where I could accept my bad shots and have makeable spares.

Also on mark Roth, I could barely hook the ball one time.  Then the next time my friend is hooking it big at the end of the pattern.  I threw a few shots on his lane and sure enough, it picked up early and rolled into the pocket from the outside.

Is it normal for long sport patterns to play so different depending on how you break the lanes down?

Most of the patterns are around 26 ml of oil.  That seems like a lot more than ths.  Maybe I need to formulate a plan on how to break the pattern down better?

Sport patterns simply don't have the miss room THS does. I don't think you'll ever find what you're looking for with the "miss room ball" as I went down this road when I started bowling on sport patterns. Sport patterns emphasize shot making and penalize errant shots. A miss right, within reason, would need some additional side rotation and a little less speed to make it back. Obviously every miss right won't have these additional changes...

Summary of that rambling...time would be better spent practicing repeating hitting your mark vs researching a new ball.

As mentioned above, these long patterns tend to not be overly heavy volumes yet people blow them up with surface, they can break down in a ton of ways. When they're flat, it's easier for people to carve lines all over the pattern. It takes awhile to alter that puddle in the middle of a THS.

By the 8th game you should be able to stand left and pitch right unless you're using too strong of a ball and it's burning up on you or no side rotation to make it back.
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Re: Surface on sport patterns
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2017, 01:29:10 PM »
The biggest problem for most bowlers who are new to longer sport patterns is that swing area is addictive.  The second biggest problem is that more surface will not create swing area, it just takes away hold area.  You do not need to hook the ball to carry.  Therefore work on staying behind the ball.  Then you need to get comfortable going straighter and keeping the ball inside second arrow. 

Long patterns can be the easiest sport patterns, but when we have been exposed to nothing but unlimited swing area on THS, we get a lot of things built in to our approach and arm swing that make playing more direct uncomfortable.

Excellent advice.  I have been adjusting my game as well due the same swing area issue with the THS.  I can concur that staying behind the ball and play right down the 5 to 8 area has helped me a ton.
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