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THIRTYSIXRED

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Team Handicap Max ??
« on: April 25, 2010, 08:20:56 AM »
We are a struggling league, and allowed a couple teams who although have improved during the season are still well below the skill level of many of the top teams.

  Too many top tier teams are threatening to quit the league if a Team Cap for handicap is not enacted.  Right now handicap is set at 90% of 230 (with no team or individual max).

  Anyone ever have to set rules to try and keep all parties happy.  If the league loses just a couple more teams it will most likely dissolve before next season.  Thanks.

 

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 04:37:04 PM »
Why are they threatening to quit? They think their losing to the high handicap teams to much? If you put a cap low enough to make high level teams happy, you just lose teams on the other end. Then theyll complain how theres no money in the prize fund.

Theres no way to make everyone happy.

You might try changing format, go to something like a pins over average league. see if that helps.

You could try a minimum entering average. Say 180 and averages cant drop below that.

If you want to see how frisky the top tier and everyone else is about changing handicap. Say the words "Lets change to a Scratch League"

Edited on 4/25/2010 5:33 PM
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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 04:56:33 PM »
90% of 230 is an INSANE amount of handicap. The max i see around here is 80% of 210 or 220.  Rather than a max handicap try lowering your handicap percentage to one of those for starters.
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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 05:24:22 PM »
I would advise going to a 100% of 300 hdcp format.  This way you have low avg bowlers having handicap and your scratch bowlers with handicap.  Its a win win and turns the league into at least making your avg or doing well.  


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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 05:24:40 PM »
We have 80% of 230 with a max of 50 pins per bowler in our league. Also have a 10 pin max drop rule to prevent sandbagging. League is very competitive with 26 teams this year.

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 05:30:07 PM »
Most of our leagues have gone to 90% from 230 and the association run tournaments have gone to 90% from 240. This is why I am retiring from league bowling after this season.

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 05:46:43 PM »
Agreed! 90% of 230 is INSANE!! Our entire area is either 80% of 210 or 220....Id quit too if it was 90% of 230!
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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 06:00:23 PM »
A couple of leagues I have been in have individual handicaps for pots . However for team games we use 90% of the differences in team average.
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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 06:04:03 PM »
I also agree that 90% of 230 is uncalled for.  Basically the lower average teams were upset that 1 (count that 1 bowler) who could average 228-230 each year is in the league.  Our handicap was 80% of 220, but the lower average teams felt they were giving him free pins, so they decided to "punish" talent.

The bowler still averages 230 or so, but he has to give up more pins and never gets rewarded for actually bowling well.

Everyone else would fit into the 80% of 220 rule as no one else is higher than 218 or so.  Basically bad bowlers who are not willing to be "challenged" and get better by bowling competition that is better than them.

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THIRTYSIXRED

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2010, 06:07:43 PM »
Nutsforbowling...could you elaborate on that "drop rule" a bit more and how your league uses it.

Are you trying to say that if I average 200 (book average) and then start bowling 185 my handicap is still based on the 200 average as it looks like I am purposely not bowling to my true ability ??

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2010, 06:22:59 PM »
Why is everyone complaining ?  You are bowling in a handicap league, with all bowlers from being very bad to very good.  As long as you are not 100%, the higher average will always win if both bowlers hit their average exactly.  Why base it on 230 ?  Well, because many of you house hacks are now averaging that or higher.  Why give someone averaging 225 extra pins by making the base 220 or even worse 210 ?

I''ve seen 150 average bowlers hit 650 or higher and when they do, all you hacks do is complain that they are getting too many pins, but when they hit under 400 (and they do) you say nothing becasue they are suppose to bowl bad.

Handicap leagues are tough to bowl in.  You have to give the lower average something to shoot for without taking the fire out of the higher average bowlers.  Not easy.

If you are that good, then you should not mind giving up some pins to the lower average bowlers, if you do, then go bowl in a scratch league.

To answer the question, one of my leagues had an individual max, say 50 pins.  This kept the handicap more reasonable and sent a message to the lower average bowlers to go practice.



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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 06:25:14 PM »
all the handicap around is crazy.I once bowled in a vegas league and it had hadicap at 100% of 220

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2010, 06:28:22 PM »
I would not bowl in any league or tournament that was 100% !  Our state and local tournements went to this base and I and many others stopped bowling in it.  They lost entries and went back to 90% of 230.

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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2010, 06:30:04 PM »
My mens league had a 10 pin drop rule.

What ever your entering average was, your average couldnt fall more than 10 pins below that.
Example-
Your entering average was 190, your average wouldn't drop below a 180 for figuring handicap.
So if your average dropped to say a 170,the handicap would be based on the 180 average.

Your entering average was 200, your average wouldn't drop below a 190 for figuring handicap.
So if your average dropped to say a 175,the handicap would be based on the 190 average.
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Re: Team Handicap Max ??
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2010, 07:52:23 PM »
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My mens league had a 10 pin drop rule.

What ever your entering average was, your average couldnt fall more than 10 pins below that.
Example-
Your entering average was 190, your average wouldn't drop below a 180 for figuring handicap.
So if your average dropped to say a 170,the handicap would be based on the 180 average.

Your entering average was 200, your average wouldn't drop below a 190 for figuring handicap.
So if your average dropped to say a 175,the handicap would be based on the 190 average.


This is exactly what we do. It keeps people from bagging in the begginning of the year. Out of 26 teams(130 bowlers), I recall maybe 5 or 6 were affected by this rule after about week 7 or 8. We do use the previous years average for the first three weeks also. Hope this helps.