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Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« on: July 30, 2013, 11:38:01 PM »
Why are some people against a group of 10 people working together to open up a lane?  It just doesn't make sense to me.  Nationals is a team event.  You should work together as a team, just like any other sport.

In the NFL, O-linemen work together to open up holes to make it EASIER for Adrian Peterson to gain as many yards as possible. 

In the NBA players set screens to get a teammate open to make it EASIER for a teammate to make a shot.

So why is it wrong in bowling for members of a team to play a certain part of the lane to make it EASIER for fellow teammates to knock down the most pins possible?

We don't hear fans of the NFL say "why is the o-line giving AP such a huge hole to run through?  They should just lay down and make him do all the work by himself.."

Then why in bowling are some so against teamwork?  No one is stopping you and your team from doing the exact same thing.

 

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 12:11:58 AM »
The issue is guys are dead set on being able to the league line or are so set on playing the lanes their way that they fail to see the obvious advantages in opening a lane up.

The guys complaining are upset that they can't score like the guys that are opening up with a concerted team effort. They don't understand probably don't want to understand how and why the SPORT works the way it works.

Personally hearing someone say" I don't want to have to work with people" makes me think that person is a horrible teammate, it makes me ask why not? Look at the guys that scoring Look at the teams that are winning they are opening the lane up and doing well making the pattern look easy. Guys that don't make the lane look impossible. Not only that but they are screwing the nine other guys on the lane, why would anyone want to do that? Screw everyone else? Sounds like a great guy.

This is a group of bowlers saying i am to stubborn to change even though the whole premise of the game is adjustments to give your team (in a team event) the best chance to score, not to give yourself the best chance to score
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 06:17:58 AM »
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 06:26:42 AM »
The only issue I have with it is if its a 5 man team, you bringing another 5 man team to bowl with is just a bit odd. At that point its not really a 5 man team event, but rather a 10 man team event.

Using your football reference, it would be like Green Bay bringing along Detroit to play against San Francisco in the Super Bowl. While it may not be against the rules in bowling, there definitely is something a bit odd about it.

Now, I have zero issue with all 5 people working together to make the lanes more open, thats part of the game in my eyes. However, if its a 5 man team event, your team you are bowling with should be random, not 5 other buddies you hand selected because then its not a 5 man event but a 10 man event ( for some but not for others)

Edit: I would also like to add that bowling isn't just a team sport, but also an individual one. Unlike Football, Basketball, Soccer, etc. you aren't playing those sports without your team mates. I think with bowling lots of people get caught up on the individual mindset ( aka PBA style)
« Last Edit: July 31, 2013, 06:31:26 AM by Armourboy »

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 08:50:48 AM »
If you want to limit all the bitching about team event...

How about this idea.  At the team event, since it is "team" bowling, no individual brackets?  Only team brackets.

After all, it's about the team and winning the eagle...right?

And let's see how quickly all the entries drop like flies except for the true eagle competitors.

And in the doubles events - doubles brackets.  You and your partner.  No singles brackets except in singles.

Of course this won't fly because there are great bowlers with backers or their own money that use this tournament as a easy way to make profit.  And please don't jump on me and say you don't.  We all know there are exceptions.

But even Riggs and company, who I will 100% agree, are focused on winning eagles, still pool they money and enter brackets.

itsallaboutme

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 09:14:35 AM »
The people that run brackets make way too much money to ever change things now.  I'm just saying you can't get 10 guys to work together unless there is a 10 way split among your group. 

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 09:38:03 AM »
The simple solution would  be to make it ten men teams instead of five. There is no way to compete as a team if all ten guys do not work together.

txbowler

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 09:47:06 AM »
Or you could just bowl on one lane.  You still get to bowl with your companion team, but you just get what you and your 4 team mates can carve.

Now you are back to true 5 member teams and not penalizing teams that cannot find a companion team due to being from small towns etc.

Just throwing out ideas.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2013, 10:31:59 AM »
I like that we're now thinking outside the box.  This is good.
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2013, 10:33:49 AM »
 Please, stop trying to artificially make things "fair".

 Sorry if you can't find 4-9 other guys that are really good and want to cooperate. Heck, I have never been able to get enough bowlers interested in going to nationals at the same time to even get to go in the first place.

 The one year we actually got two teams together to go, I got laid off from my job and couldn't go myself.

 And, just because we were going does NOT mean that we thought we could win, only that we would get to compete.

 Life isn't fair, and neither is bowling. Stop trying to make it so.
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2013, 11:14:05 AM »
I'm game for the one team one lane.  It's called evolution and our game is way... I repeat... WAY BEHIND THE TIMES.  Otherwise, you need a 10-person award.  Simple as that. 

Essentially, bowlers have arrived at a place in bowling where it's a relative known and recognized fact that not only does lane maintenance by bowlers have a direct effect on score ability (See Singles & Doubles going to fresh oil for all squads), but one team can completely derail another team on the same pair of lanes.  And that's not fair.  And I think the whole point is to create a fair playing field.  And I wouldn't classify this as artificial fairness.  It's pretty much been scientifically documented at this point that there is good traffic and bad traffic on lane patterns and your ability to score can be increased or decreased.  And yes, it is hard to get 10 GOOD bowlers together.  But than, how do you define good?  I may have a different set of qualifiers. 

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2013, 01:08:15 PM »
The only issue I have with it is if its a 5 man team, you bringing another 5 man team to bowl with is just a bit odd. At that point its not really a 5 man team event, but rather a 10 man team event.

Using your football reference, it would be like Green Bay bringing along Detroit to play against San Francisco in the Super Bowl. While it may not be against the rules in bowling, there definitely is something a bit odd about it.

Now, I have zero issue with all 5 people working together to make the lanes more open, thats part of the game in my eyes. However, if its a 5 man team event, your team you are bowling with should be random, not 5 other buddies you hand selected because then its not a 5 man event but a 10 man event ( for some but not for others)

Edit: I would also like to add that bowling isn't just a team sport, but also an individual one. Unlike Football, Basketball, Soccer, etc. you aren't playing those sports without your team mates. I think with bowling lots of people get caught up on the individual mindset ( aka PBA style)

But also keep in mind this.. it may seem like a 10-person team, but it is still a competition. Just because it may be a 10-person team doesn't always mean that the #2 team is trying to help the #1 team score better. You could end up with both teams helping each other out that they both take 1st and 2nd in Team.

Nothing is stopping them from helping each other out to bowl their best, as well as keep the competition between the two going. In short, competition doesn't always have to be malicious or with selfish intent.

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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2013, 02:04:33 PM »
Team Event is defined as 5 bowlers per entry.

Well, let's do random draw for lanes? Response: no, we (random stud team) might get stuck with shim wreckers. Not fair  We want to bowl with our companion team who can help us score better.

Let's bowl on one lane?  Response:  No, tradition is 2 lanes (translation - we want to keep our advantage. We figured out a loophole and now you want to close it) 

What about small town bowlers who may only have 5 talented bowlers?  Response:
Sorry, if you wanted it bad enough, you'd move.  Life isn't fair and neither is bowling.

And you wonder why USBC can't accomplish anything????



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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2013, 02:13:04 PM »
Team Event is defined as 5 bowlers per entry.

Well, let's do random draw for lanes? Response: no, we (random stud team) might get stuck with shim wreckers. Not fair  We want to bowl with our companion team who can help us score better.

Let's bowl on one lane?  Response:  No, tradition is 2 lanes (translation - we want to keep our advantage. We figured out a loophole and now you want to close it) 

What about small town bowlers who may only have 5 talented bowlers?  Response:
Sorry, if you wanted it bad enough, you'd move.  Life isn't fair and neither is bowling.

And you wonder why USBC can't accomplish anything????




The problem is USBC does its pulse check way too close to the top of the food chain.  I think the thought process is "well, if the really good bowlers want it, it must be good for bowling" or something like that.  Many of the top level bowlers are completely out of touch with what happens in a regular league (other than assuming everyone is a sandbagger if they manage to bowl well in a tournament) because they don't bowl in those leagues and they don't associate with people that bowl in those leagues.
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Re: Teamwork-promoted in all team sports--except bowling?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2013, 02:21:08 PM »
Do you really think bowling on 1 lane wouldn't be a bigger advantage for better teams?