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The Dots
« on: October 27, 2008, 03:38:25 AM »
A few quick questions:  The dots on the approach are approximately how far from the foul line?  Are all dots the same length from the foul line?  I've heard that the first set are 12 feet and the second set are 15 feet away; is that true?

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Re: The Dots
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 12:07:43 PM »
n00dlejester...

ON THE LANE
There is a set of SEVEN ARROWS located approximately 15 feet from the foul line and a set of TEN DOTS located approximately six feet from the foul line. These are parts of the RANGEFINDER targeting system innovated by Brunswick during the second world war. Note that the approach dots and the lane arrows are in line with the pins, while the lane dots are not.

The bowling lane has two sets of approach dots from the foul line back to the first set of approach dots is 12 feet and to the second set of approach dots is 15 feet. hope this helps.

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Edited on 10/27/2008 12:22 PM

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Re: The Dots
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 03:05:26 PM »
Note-
The statement about the " arrows are in line with the pins" is incorrect.
As are a lot of the diagrams in the books of the lanes and pins.
 
While the 4th arrow lines up with the center of the headpin. As you move left or right from the center arrow, the arrows move off the pin centers and don't line directly up with them.

Here's a diagram showing how they really lineup.
Click here for Diagram
The black arrows are the lane arrows and the red arrows show where the dots lineup with the pins.



Here's some of the org. info on the Rangefinder.

Rangefinder ® system by Brunswick

It was invented by Lowell Jackson back in the 1930's

 "Jackson's poor eyesight was responsible for his most lasting legacy.
Because he could not see the pins well, he would often put a pencil dot
on the approach to help line up. Eventually, a nitpicking official at a
tournament cited the ABC rulebook and made him erase his mark.

That got Jackson to thinking. Out on the lanes, bowlers had long used
darker boards to help them aim their deliveries. Why not have a series
of markers permanently inlaid on the approaches and lanes? Jackson took
his idea to his bosses at Brunswick. The result was the now familiar
rangefinder system, which the ABC approved in 1939, and which is still
in use today. "
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The bowling lane and approach contain DOTS (dowels) and ARROWS which are
visual aids to proper alignment for strikes and spares. These aids are
positioned on numbered boards.

ON THE APPROACH
There are three sets of seven dots on the approach. The first set
located approximately 15 feet from the foul line the second set is 12
feet away and the third set is approximately 3 inches away. In some
centers, the outermost dots are missing at the 12- and 15-foot levels.
The center dot in each set is larger than the rest. You use the first
two sets to help you choose where to stand on the approach for strikes
and spares -- your SETUP LOCATION. The third set will help you or an
observer determine exactly where your ball touches down on the lane --
the TOUCHDOWN POINT.

. In order for all bowlers to communicate correctly, right-handed
bowlers need to count from right to left, while left-handed bowlers need
to count from left to right. For purposes of explaining strike targeting
below, we will limit the number of playable boards at 20. Therefore, the
sequence is 5, 10, 15, 20, 15, 10, and 5. We will change our
illustration when we talk about spare shooting.


How to use the RANGEFINDER ® targeting system
ON THE LANE
There is a set of SEVEN ARROWS located approximately 15 feet from the
foul line and a set of TEN DOTS located approximately six feet from the
foul line. These are parts of the RANGEFINDER ® targeting system
innovated by Brunswick during the second world war.  Note that the
approach dots and the lane arrows are in line with the pins, while the
lane dots are not.


HOW TO TARGET FOR A STRIKE WHILE IN YOUR SETUP
You may use either the arrows or the dots as your VISUAL TARGET -- the
point where you fix your gaze. The following method uses BOTH -- the way
the Rangefinder ® system was originally intended to be used.

    1. First, choose your intended target line starting from the
approach dots at the foul line and ending with the arrows at 15 feet
your target line is approximately 15 feet long. Let's pick a 12-to-8
target line your ball touches down on board 12 and crosses board 8 at
the arrows. walk toward your target.

    2. Next, extend this path in your mind's eye all the way back to
your setup position on the approach. It crosses board 16 at the level of
your setup. walk toward your target.

    3. Position your bowling shoulder and your ball directly over this
extended target line. in this case, both would be over board 16, with
your forearm in line with your target. walk toward your target.

    4. Square your shoulders so that they are 90 degrees to your
forearm. walk toward your target.

    5. Square your feet perpendicular to your shoulders and parallel
with your target line to ensure that you will walk parallel with your
swing. walk toward your target.

    6. Since the lane dots at six feet are closer and easier to see,
drop your gaze back to these and use them as your visual target during
your delivery. Since these dots are closer to each other, you can more
effectively "fine tune" where you place your ball along your target
line. walk toward your target.

    7. When you start to move, make sure to push your ball toward your
target and walk toward your target.


Edited on 10/27/2008 3:25 PM
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 08:46:44 AM »
Hrm, ask a simple question get a book back.  Thanks?
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 08:58:04 AM »
Thanks Aloarjr810,
 
It's nice when someone goes the extra mile to explain something in detail...



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Re: The Dots
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 09:06:51 AM »
quote:
Thanks Aloarjr810,

It's nice when someone goes the extra mile to explain something in detail...


We expected less from Aloarjr810????  Here's the guy that puts all the BTM numbers together on an Excel sheet for all to see.  Amazing!
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 09:10:29 AM »
quote:
quote:
Thanks Aloarjr810,

It's nice when someone goes the extra mile to explain something in detail...


We expected less from Aloarjr810????  Here's the guy that puts all the BTM numbers together on an Excel sheet for all to see.  Amazing!
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Is that the guy? Cool! Love your work Aloarjr810. Thanks!
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 11:41:22 AM »
Aloarjr810,

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

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Re: The Dots
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 11:49:04 AM »
That excel sheet is awesome, to say the least.  *bows*

Follow-up question:  Where do you folks usually stand in relation to the 2 sets of dots?
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 11:55:56 AM »
how does one go about getting this excel sheet to see..
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 12:53:37 PM »

Aloarjr810...
You stated:
Note-
The statement about the " arrows are in line with the pins" is incorrect.
As are a lot of the diagrams in the books of the lanes and pins.
 I was trying to give a simple answer to N00dlejester without going into a lot of detail. This is not a big deal with me but I do think you should take a look at your diagram that you posted for us. The dots on the lanes are on the 3-5-8-10-11-14- boards and the arrows are 5-10-15-20-board which most of us use while we bowl if we are right handed. Your diagram shows the black arrows which is what board the arrows are on and and the red arrow represents the board the dots are on. I did not say anything about that dots and arrows line up "directly" with the pins as the 20 board arrow does. Maybe I should have said that the dots on the approach do line up with the arrows on the lanes.
I am trying learn and contribute some on these post and that is it.

jodyk24





Edited on 10/28/2008 11:23 PM

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Re: The Dots
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 03:01:57 PM »
quote:
Note-
The statement about the " arrows are in line with the pins" is incorrect.
As are a lot of the diagrams in the books of the lanes and pins.
 
While the 4th arrow lines up with the center of the headpin. As you move left or right from the center arrow, the arrows move off the pin centers and don't line directly up with them.

Here's a diagram showing how they really lineup.
Click here for Diagram
The black arrows are the lane arrows and the red arrows show where the dots lineup with the pins.



Here's some of the org. info on the Rangefinder.

Rangefinder ® system by Brunswick

It was invented by Lowell Jackson back in the 1930's

 "Jackson's poor eyesight was responsible for his most lasting legacy.
Because he could not see the pins well, he would often put a pencil dot
on the approach to help line up. Eventually, a nitpicking official at a
tournament cited the ABC rulebook and made him erase his mark.

That got Jackson to thinking. Out on the lanes, bowlers had long used
darker boards to help them aim their deliveries. Why not have a series
of markers permanently inlaid on the approaches and lanes? Jackson took
his idea to his bosses at Brunswick. The result was the now familiar
rangefinder system, which the ABC approved in 1939, and which is still
in use today. "
Click
for more info on Jackson



The bowling lane and approach contain DOTS (dowels) and ARROWS which are
visual aids to proper alignment for strikes and spares. These aids are
positioned on numbered boards.

ON THE APPROACH
There are three sets of seven dots on the approach. The first set
located approximately 15 feet from the foul line the second set is 12
feet away and the third set is approximately 3 inches away. In some
centers, the outermost dots are missing at the 12- and 15-foot levels.
The center dot in each set is larger than the rest. You use the first
two sets to help you choose where to stand on the approach for strikes
and spares -- your SETUP LOCATION. The third set will help you or an
observer determine exactly where your ball touches down on the lane --
the TOUCHDOWN POINT.

. In order for all bowlers to communicate correctly, right-handed
bowlers need to count from right to left, while left-handed bowlers need
to count from left to right. For purposes of explaining strike targeting
below, we will limit the number of playable boards at 20. Therefore, the
sequence is 5, 10, 15, 20, 15, 10, and 5. We will change our
illustration when we talk about spare shooting.


How to use the RANGEFINDER ® targeting system
ON THE LANE
There is a set of SEVEN ARROWS located approximately 15 feet from the
foul line and a set of TEN DOTS located approximately six feet from the
foul line. These are parts of the RANGEFINDER ® targeting system
innovated by Brunswick during the second world war. Note that the
approach dots and the lane arrows are in line with the pins,
while the
lane dots are not.


HOW TO TARGET FOR A STRIKE WHILE IN YOUR SETUP
You may use either the arrows or the dots as your VISUAL TARGET -- the
point where you fix your gaze. The following method uses BOTH -- the way
the Rangefinder ® system was originally intended to be used.

    1. First, choose your intended target line starting from the
approach dots at the foul line and ending with the arrows at 15 feet
your target line is approximately 15 feet long. Let's pick a 12-to-8
target line your ball touches down on board 12 and crosses board 8 at
the arrows. walk toward your target.

    2. Next, extend this path in your mind's eye all the way back to
your setup position on the approach. It crosses board 16 at the level of
your setup. walk toward your target.

    3. Position your bowling shoulder and your ball directly over this
extended target line. in this case, both would be over board 16, with
your forearm in line with your target. walk toward your target.

    4. Square your shoulders so that they are 90 degrees to your
forearm. walk toward your target.

    5. Square your feet perpendicular to your shoulders and parallel
with your target line to ensure that you will walk parallel with your
swing. walk toward your target.

    6. Since the lane dots at six feet are closer and easier to see,
drop your gaze back to these and use them as your visual target during
your delivery. Since these dots are closer to each other, you can more
effectively "fine tune" where you place your ball along your target
line. walk toward your target.

    7. When you start to move, make sure to push your ball toward your
target and walk toward your target.


Edited on 10/27/2008 3:25 PM


 Check the highlighted red text. If it is your assertion that your statement is true, then why paste a book that obviously disagrees with you?
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Re: The Dots
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 09:20:23 PM »
quote:


Aloarjr810...
You stated:
Note-
The statement about the " arrows are in line with the pins" is incorrect.
As are a lot of the diagrams in the books of the lanes and pins.
 I was trying to give a simple answer to N00dlejester without going into a lot of detail. This is not a big deal with me but I do think you should take a look at your diagram that you posted for us. The dots on the approach are on the 3-5-8-10-11-14- boards and the arrows are 5-10-15-20-board which most of us use while we bowl if we are right handed. Your diagram shows the black arrows which is what board the arrows are on and and the red arrow represents the board the dots are on. I did not say anything about that dots and arrows line up "directly" with the pins as the 20 board arrow does. Maybe I should have said that the dots on the approach do line up with the arrows on the lanes.
I am trying learn and contribute some on these post and that is it.

jodyk24






jodyk24 I know "you" didn't say the arrows lined up with the pins. You gave info on the placement of the approach dots

But I was addressing the first part of your post, which is taken from the original brunswick "How to use the RANGEFINDER ® targeting system" instructions where it doe's say that.

I was just adding on some extra info in case someone was interested.

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Re: The Dots
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 10:07:57 PM »
quote:
Check the highlighted red text. If it is your assertion that your statement is true, then why paste a book that obviously disagrees with you?


Well it's not just my assertion, it was pointed out to me quite awhile back.

I had at one time had said that the arrows lined up directly with the pins, Because a diagram I saw in Fred Bordens book "Bowling: Knowledge is the Key" page 51.

Which shows the 10 pin on the 5 board(1st arrow), the 6 pin on the 10 board(2nd arrow), 3&9pins on the 15th board(3rd arrow), etc. and was told that was wrong.

So I looked into it and the pins don't sit directly on the same boards as the arrows. If you don't believe me, just walk down the lane take a look at  the 10 pin its on the 3 board not the 5board which is first arrow.

And I pasted a copy of the original instructions as they were written. So you could see what was written and how it was used in context . And I included my comment on what was said originally in those instructions, with what I found out about it.


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Re: The Dots
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 10:12:50 PM »
FYI.....on some old Brunswick lanes original wood their were 42 boards across the lanes not 40.
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