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NHLfan88

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Two handed - extra hole rule
« on: February 11, 2016, 09:11:40 AM »
So of course in league last night somebody decided to bowl with 2 hands (no thumb) and threw a ball with 4 holes in it all night.  This is illegal right?  Does anyone know where the actual rule is printed so it can be presented to the league?
Those who can't bowl, bowl with two hands.

 

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 10:00:15 AM »
Did you explain to him it's a no no?

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 10:06:36 AM »
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/2015-2016Rulebook.pdf

Chapter 8 Equipment Specifications
Bowling Balls
6. Holes
a.Holes or indentations for gripping purposes shall not exceed five and shall be limited to
one for each finger and one for the thumb, all for the same hand. The player is not required to use all finger holes in any specific delivery, but they must be able to demonstrate, with the same hand, that each gripping hole can be simultaneously used for gripping purposes. Any thumb hole that is not used for gripping purposes during the delivery would be classified as a balance hole.

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 10:24:42 AM »
The weight hole is always the one in question on this. He can throw a ball that has a thumb hole without putting his thumb in it as long as that thumb hole could be used if he chose to; however, it can't also have a weight hole. So, if, as you say, his ball had four holes (assuming you meant two finger, one thumb, one weight hole) then, yes, that was illegal.

As a previous poster asked, did you tell him that he was in violation at the time? I don't think that you're required to, but I think that would be the best starting point. Now, if he's been told before about this and is choosing to ignore it, then that's a different story.

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2016, 10:31:52 AM »
It was brought up, and he pulled the whole "show me the rule" card.
Those who can't bowl, bowl with two hands.

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 01:47:09 PM »
Yeah, if you came at him nicely only to have him come at you with that attitude/response, I would definitely have the rule book waiting for him next time out. If you wanted to be a jerk, you could let him keep bowling like that and then have it called on him so that he has to forfeit. I probably wouldn't go that far, but it would be tempting if the guy is a douche about it.

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2016, 04:48:57 PM »
By the rule changes that have been made the last two years, his ball is not legal for a no thumb bowler.  Two things have changed.  No weight hole allowed is the first. The second is not only for a two handed bowler, but for a no thumb bowler.  If a ball has a thumb hole, the ball must be weighed using the two gripping fingers as the centerline for checking the weight, not the center of the palm/grip in the conventional manner.  So without weighing a ball that has a thumb hole you would not know if its legal or not, but this no thumb bowler is not allowed a weight hole and a thumb hole.  Personally I dont care if they kick the ball down the alley, they still have to throw repeated shots.

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2016, 05:04:58 PM »
http://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622321723

The ball is illegal to throw without using the thumb.  The ball is legal to throw using the thumb if the static weights are legal.  --  JohnP
« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 05:06:39 PM by JohnP »

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Re: Two handed - extra hole rule
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2016, 05:26:16 PM »
Yeah, if you came at him nicely only to have him come at you with that attitude/response, I would definitely have the rule book waiting for him next time out. If you wanted to be a jerk, you could let him keep bowling like that and then have it called on him so that he has to forfeit. I probably wouldn't go that far, but it would be tempting if the guy is a douche about it.

In the last 10 years I have never had anyone reply cordial when they are told they are breaking or have broken a rule.  Many bowlers and people in general don't seem to care about rules.  I have had about 6 different incidents and they always have argued or look at me like I'm a big (fill in the blank with whatever you want) hole. 

Even when I called illegal pinfall on myself, when a pin hit some deadwood and then took out a pin on a split conversion, people looked at me like I was crazy for being honest and taking the count off my score.

Most of the time if people do know of a rule, they recite a rule that is 20 years old.  Most people do not keep up with the rule changes that happen over the years.

Also, with most rules USBC will not enforce the penalty if the person did not know they were in violation of a rule.  It is only after the person is informed, or it is known that the person knew they were in violation, where USBC will enforce the penalty. 
« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 05:34:53 PM by J_w73 »
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