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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #121 on: April 25, 2018, 02:59:02 PM »
My "lack of character" lies in the fact that I can't take this game serious anymore for a number of reasons. None having to do with the bowler one pair over that wants to throw it like Belmo or drill his ball up with the latest trick layout, and everything having to do with curmudgeons and their silly, non-progressive ideas to make the game as exciting as a funeral.

Bowling is the only sport where people want to penalize those with a superior skill set. Especially once athleticism is involved. In any other major sport if there was a 12 year old with some serious, raw natural ability that people could envision seeing as a pro someday the elders foster that talent, work them up through the system on a path to professionalism and make sure that they keep a love for the game. In bowling, it's old timers telling them

"Don't throw the ball like that"
"This is ruining the game"
"You won't be able to maintain that style when you get my age"

....basically everything to take the love out of what the kids like doing. I think it's awesome that the two handers learned how to "hack" the system and take the lane play advantage back from the left side. :D

At the end of the day, we're just talking revrates.
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Name one high school prodigy in any sport that has ever been able to regularly beat the top pros other than bowling, without FIRST having to learn more at the top level, and get better by honing their craft?

Rev rates keep getting higher, scores are soaring, but participation keeps dwindling. Thinking rev rate sells; the numbers say differently.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #122 on: April 25, 2018, 02:59:25 PM »
Bill Taylor was ahead of his time. Get rid of oil. #RIPBT

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #123 on: April 25, 2018, 03:12:25 PM »
Bill Taylor was ahead of his time. Get rid of oil. #RIPBT

OMG. You went all Bill Taylor on them?

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2018, 03:17:07 PM »
Name one high school prodigy in any sport that has ever been able to regularly beat the top pros other than bowling, without FIRST having to learn more at the top level, and get better by honing their craft?


No one would disagree with that but I could list off about 20-25 examples from basketball, alone. If I named them all, it still serves no meaning to the original message because at this point you're just shifting arguments to something that's so far away from why non-progressive traditionalist thinking is driving away bowlers.

Anytime I ask bowlers who were super competitive at every level of the game how come they don't bowl anymore it comes down to two things. 1) It stopped being fun. 2) There's no money in it.

It's never, "it stopped being fun because of the balls" or the "two handers". But anytime there's a discussion to be had about how to march the game forward and be respected more as a sport topic #1 & #2 from the internet bowling community turns into hate on the two handers from traditionalists, and hate on the equipment from the sourpuss types who benefit the most from the equipment they're hating on.



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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2018, 03:31:36 PM »
Bill Taylor was ahead of his time. Get rid of oil. #RIPBT

OMG. You went all Bill Taylor on them?

 I knew I liked you..........

Meeting Bill Taylor was one of the high points of my life! I had to travel to Detroit AND I got my car stolen on the trip, but it was worth it!

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2018, 03:34:27 PM »
Name one high school prodigy in any sport that has ever been able to regularly beat the top pros other than bowling, without FIRST having to learn more at the top level, and get better by honing their craft?




No one would disagree with that but I could list off about 20-25 examples from basketball, alone. If I named them all, it still serves no meaning to the original message because at this point you're just shifting arguments to something that's so far away from why non-progressive traditionalist thinking is driving away bowlers.

Anytime I ask bowlers who were super competitive at every level of the game how come they don't bowl anymore it comes down to two things. 1) It stopped being fun. 2) There's no money in it.

It's never, "it stopped being fun because of the balls" or the "two handers". But anytime there's a discussion to be had about how to march the game forward and be respected more as a sport topic #1 & #2 from the internet bowling community turns into hate on the two handers from traditionalists, and hate on the equipment from the sourpuss types who benefit the most from the equipment they're hating on.




LeBron James is the only person that I can think of that would be even close to being competitive at a young age.  But, it took him time until he got really good and was able to beat the best. 

 The question then remains why did it stop becoming fun, and why is there not enough money in it to sustain bowlers at a high level?
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #127 on: April 25, 2018, 03:56:15 PM »
My personal opinion is things stop "being fun" for very talented younger bowlers because they see the big picture. From a financial standpoint there's no money in the end game and the elite at the top as so far away from even most top level amatuers on local level that putting in the time, money to practice/equipment/travel to compete, ends up being a zero sum game after you factor in expenses.

Add in the megabucks tournaments being virtually non existent and you have very little to bowl to even recoup your expenses. You have high level amateurs spending $500-1000+ in travel/lodging fees going cross country to bowl tournaments that pay $3-5K on top and 3rd place is barely breaking even on expenses. You have regionals paying out LOL-sums of money for 1st place because instead of making the product (PBA) seem glamorous and inviting to new players, they gave a half assed effort for 25 years into marketing and finding new sponsors. Proprietors no longer care about the game itself, everyone that comes in the door is a dollar sign. They desperately need birthday party money just to not go out of business. Also factor in tournaments shutting out PBA card members, what incentive is there to go pro? Spend 30-40k a year chasing a dream to get your head kicked by the same 10 guys at the top of the PBA food chain? It's all a losing proposition.

There's a gang of reasons why the sport of bowling is dead. The only vigor being brought into the game is at the Collegiate and PWBA level. The PWBA is/was being supported financially off USBC money. Kids are coming out of college 50k in student loan debt while it's $1500/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment in the cities with all of the high paying jobs. They have bigger things to worry about than trying to make a living in a game they grew up loving. Bowling 12 games on the weekend for a $800 1st place tournament with a bunch of other local killers is plugging a leaky boat with chewing gum.

The only remaining constant to all of this, is the mentality that the people in power have had for the past 30 years. They've become so resistant to real change and thinking outside of the box for the greater good that they're just adding more members to the band to play the song on a sinking ship.

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #128 on: April 25, 2018, 04:19:13 PM »
 I don't disagree with any of that.
What I am trying to say, is that if bowling was accepted through Corporate America, there would be the money there to have young people want to get involved. In order to get Corporate America involved, you need to offer a product that the layman would see as superior and better than what they see at the local level. It needs to be identifiable, without explanation. You simply can't just alienate generations of bowlers as well as the majority for a select few who can throw it a certain way,  and expect to be successful on a global scale.  There is a big difference between accepting two handed bowling and ultra high rev rates, and promoting it. We have crossed that line in the industry. Imagine if we had promoted Bob Vespi over a David Ozio or a Brian Voss, and  created clinics to teach it.

Randy Pedersen all but shamed the "shot makers" on the masters telecast. It was very disrespectful, and a true measure of what this game has become. Basically,  If you don't have a High Rev rate, you are nothing. Some of your comments earlier in this thread also Echo those remarks.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #129 on: April 25, 2018, 05:03:35 PM »
I can actually see what Jesse James is referring to in regards to leagues not sanctioning anymore.  So if a guy bowls 2 leagues with one being non-sanctioned, he'll need another bag of equipment for one or the other, assuming he wants to use the ILLEGAL equipment. 

We have a few leagues that don't sanction, and I'm just waiting to hear about a league officer leaving town with their prize fund (no longer bonded with USBC).

Or you bowl unsanctioned just for fun leagues with no prize fund and guess what its cheaper (my doubles league only $11 a person a week and get 2 bonus free games weekly at any Bowlmor) as well with no risk of someone running off with your money.  Yes I know many people enjoy bowling for money but its not everyone.  Money just seems to make things complicated (as the USBC shows) and I don't want to be that old man I recently saw kicking the ball return in rage during serious league.  That is the opposite of fun.  To each their own which is why I basically just shrug at the USBC these days.  I don't give them money so I just point and laugh.  Only the clueless USBC thinks bowling can't exist without their bureaucracy.
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2018, 05:14:08 PM »
Tommy you’re right on with Randy’s disrespectful comments on the masters show. I mean it came off bad weather he meant it or not. We all now randy has a man crush on fellow storm staffer belmo. I hope randy isn’t part of the new fox telecasts. Bring back Denny, and Durbin  My favorite telecast team of all time.

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2018, 05:17:36 PM »
Tommy you’re right on with Randy’s disrespectful comments on the masters show. I mean it came off bad weather he meant it or not. We all now randy has a man crush on fellow storm staffer belmo. I hope randy isn’t part of the new fox telecasts. Bring back Denny, and Durbin  My favorite telecast team of all time.

Denny and Mike Durbin?? SIGN ME THE F UP!

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2018, 05:24:08 PM »
Randy's a nice guy and all but every show for the past 10+ years has seemed like an all bad version of a Sportscenter tryout.

Mike Flannagan's inside bowling commentary with any guest blows away every form of bowling commentary I've ever heard.

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2018, 05:30:11 PM »
Hey doom you’re only 16 posts away from a milestone of 5000 posts. Congrats. Lol!

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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2018, 05:32:48 PM »
Hey doom you’re only 16 posts away from a milestone of 5000 posts. Congrats. Lol!

Doom makes them count too.  Good guy.  Its all about quality and not quantity on posts (hint for me to bugger off and follow the example).
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Re: USBC has done it. No weight holes 8/1/2020
« Reply #135 on: April 25, 2018, 05:53:14 PM »
Yup, I value the opinions of doom, and all you guys. I know it can get ugly on here sometimes, but that’s what makes this forum so entertaining. Can’t ask for anything more than posting your honest opinion. Just my honest opinion. Heck what do I know? I’m just a jr member.
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