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12XSECH

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usbc revokes lane certification
« on: March 21, 2016, 07:18:26 AM »
NOT! And the reason they never did or never will is because then you cant have a sanctioned league in that house. No sanctioned league means no sanction fees, no sanction fees means no money for the usbc. Revoking use of a ball cost them NOTHING...They actually (IMO) made some cash from this. See how this works? The usbc doesnt do whats good for the bowler, they do whats good for the usbc (their own pockets). IF they went around certifying every house I'm sure a few wouldnt pass BUT what a shock...100% of the houses passed! Back to the Jackals...I'm sure every ball thats made that is on the border of specs will have a certain number that will cross over that point BUT again...out of a million or so balls ONLY Motiv and Jackals were past the spec point? I find that hard to believe. If the usbc was really for the bowler, they would un certify some of these crappy houses, inspect the lanes and enforce some of their rules on the lanes. BUT this wont ever happen and it proves my point. Some people complain about the awards that are non existent...I dont care about the towel or key chains etc... BUT the beginner bowler or the 140 150 160 bowler that bowls 100 over avg or 75 over avg etc...get nothing. I'm talking about the Wednesday morning 11am bowler...The get nothing. A 60 or 70 year old bowler might actually appreciate the friggen towel or key chain...BUT that will cost the usbc money and it it cost them money, thats less money for them.
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AlBundy33

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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 09:00:05 AM »
All that I will add is that for an organization that lost 40% in sanction fees within a year's period, they seem to be oblivious of that fact.

While bowling the Michigan State Sandbagging Tournament, I talked to three people that own businesses and how they would react if their sales went down 40%. Two of them would be deeply worried and the other said that they would have to lock the doors.

While I'm split on the whole Jackal situation (the Carnage I'm fine with being banned, while the original Jackal is a witch hunt). To me, there are more pressing needs that need to be addressed.

My attitude with the USBC is that it is an exclusive country club organization for only about .5% of the members (that's who benefits from it the most to the naked eye), while the remaining 99.5% have to pay for what they benefit from.

Yet they want to increase fees and I would be fine with that if they actually had a plan in place on what they would do with the money to actually attempt to improve the organization.

But I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 09:27:56 AM »
USBC doesn't provided awards other then the 1 life time award for an honor score. All other awards are paid for by your local associations.
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12XSECH

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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 09:58:52 AM »
I havnt seen one given out by any association.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 10:08:12 AM »
I know of a couple of houses that have failed inspection.

Both received temporary sanctioning until repairs could be made and were later
sanctioned and re-certified.

We get it. You don't like the USBC.
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12XSECH

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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2016, 11:04:44 AM »
The worst house in my area passed...if they passed a bochy ball court could pass.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 11:08:04 AM »
Quote from: 12XSECH on March 21, 2016, 11:04:44 AM
The worst house in my area passed...if they passed a bochy ball court could pass.

worst in what way?  That is a subjective term.

How about being objective and specifying WHAT manner of rule violation exists that makes them non-compliant. 
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AMF300bowler

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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2016, 11:12:25 AM »
Thunderbird Lanes in Troy, MI. passed certification every year. And every year, we bowled at the same pins being off spot on the exact same lanes. I even asked the local associations of they checked pin spots during certification. They said yes, but I find that hard to believe.

The house is now closed. They never took care of their lanes and pinsetters and the bowlers left in droves it's last few years of existence.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 11:38:25 AM »
Quote from: AMF300bowler on March 21, 2016, 11:12:25 AM
Thunderbird Lanes in Troy, MI. passed certification every year. And every year, we bowled at the same pins being off spot on the exact same lanes. I even asked the local associations of they checked pin spots during certification. They said yes, but I find that hard to believe.

The house is now closed. They never took care of their lanes and pinsetters and the bowlers left in droves it's last few years of existence.

Thunderbird was an adventure in bowling every time.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2016, 11:42:34 AM »
If non-compliant lanes get passed and the the local assoc. is the one doing the inspecting and passing.

Then it seems the problem is with the local assoc. not necessarily the national organization as a whole.

Maybe if more people got involved with their local. Assoc., the people on the board and it's workings, they could improve things at the local level. Which in turn might help improve things on the National level also.

It's easy to complain on the internet about the state of things, but it doesn't really change things.

Going to the meetings, discussing issues there with the other bowlers and the board and organizing them is more likely to affect changes and improve things.

Is it easy, no.

Most bowler's want thing's improved, they don't know just what or how, just that things need to be improved.

The one thing their sure of is, somebody else has to do it and if it cost's money, somebody else has to pay for it.

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AlBundy33

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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2016, 11:51:50 AM »
Quote from: AMF300bowler on March 21, 2016, 11:12:25 AM
Thunderbird Lanes in Troy, MI. passed certification every year. And every year, we bowled at the same pins being off spot on the exact same lanes. I even asked the local associations of they checked pin spots during certification. They said yes, but I find that hard to believe.

The house is now closed. They never took care of their lanes and pinsetters and the bowlers left in droves it's last few years of existence.

How that place made it past the mid 1990s still astonishes me. I remember the first time bowling there in 1995 for Ward and wondered if the place hadn't been opened in about 20 years.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2016, 11:55:27 AM »
Quote from: 12XSECH on March 21, 2016, 09:58:52 AM
I havnt seen one given out by any association.

It is not mandatory for an association to do that, but ours does give out some awards. You should check with yours to see if they do and why not if they don't.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2016, 11:58:37 AM »
Quote from: AMF300bowler on March 21, 2016, 11:12:25 AM
Thunderbird Lanes in Troy, MI. passed certification every year. And every year, we bowled at the same pins being off spot on the exact same lanes. I even asked the local associations of they checked pin spots during certification. They said yes, but I find that hard to believe.

The house is now closed. They never took care of their lanes and pinsetters and the bowlers left in droves it's last few years of existence.

Chuck Walby's old place?

Even though that was the closest bowling center to where I used to live, I don't think I ever bowled a league there.

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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2016, 09:04:23 AM »
I used to be over my associations inspections of three houses, been about 14 years ago but unless things have changed if they don't pass when you inspect you till them what is out of certs and give a time frame to get them done. Then you go back and inspect again.

Its really not that hard to get certified, but like anything that involves measurements the center has to stay on top of pin spots backends, kickboards ect. The topology of lanes are wild and change year to year because of settling, things compress and shrink and expand Older houses seem to require the most help because of age, they really can change a lot in a 5 year period.

As someone stated earlier it behoves everyone that is serious about bowling to help one year on local associations inspections to see what you are really dealing with when you bowl, beyond just throwing the ball.
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Re: usbc revokes lane certification
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2016, 10:32:12 AM »
Quote from: MI 2 AZ on March 21, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: AMF300bowler on March 21, 2016, 11:12:25 AM
Thunderbird Lanes in Troy, MI. passed certification every year. And every year, we bowled at the same pins being off spot on the exact same lanes. I even asked the local associations of they checked pin spots during certification. They said yes, but I find that hard to believe.

The house is now closed. They never took care of their lanes and pinsetters and the bowlers left in droves it's last few years of existence.

Chuck Walby's old place?

Even though that was the closest bowling center to where I used to live, I don't think I ever bowled a league there.



I know that he owned Thunderbird and Red Run and ran both into the ground. Thunderbird I can attest to, Red Run was before my time. Although I heard some interesting stories about the Times tournament that was held there.
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