Author Topic: when do you adjust..... (Read 3077 times)

xrayjay · « **on:** November 03, 2015, 07:38:20 PM »

how do you know it's time to move or adjust if you see the six pin barely taps the 10 and carries. Or when the ball deflects right and still carries.

Do you adjust the next time around? or wait and see?

well, I've been watching ball/pin action more and more this year when other bowlers are up. I'd see the ball hit the pocket and it deflects right carrying all 10. Then, the next time up, the bowler hits the pocket, ball deflects right, and leaves the weak 10. (then I hear, "oh i got robbed!!"). This bowler didn't move or adjust and was hitting the same spot down lane.

Then the same bowlers carries the next two times, the ball still deflecting to the right and carries for a double. Then he leaves another weak 10, still the ball deflecting. Not once did the ball go straight back on the this lane. yet, he carries defections and also leaves weak 10's in one game...

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2015, 08:18:23 PM »

I think a lot of times, generally on a THS more so, a lot of times the things you speak of in your post come down to hand and speed. Sometimes you have to soften speed and let the ball read the lane a bit, or adjust the hand position to get a really really good roll. Even if you're accurate you still have to be consistent with it at the bottom.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2015, 09:02:44 PM »

How good are you to make a move? Like the examples listed what was the bowlers ball speeds, did they hit their mark, if they missed was it a pull or was it outside? Are you good enough to make a small moves and trust your next shot, speed, release etc.

I focus on speed and where I am throwing the ball and be brutally honest on if it was a good shot or not. How many time do you see someone miss a little right on one lane, or come in a little light and when they get up on the next lane drive the ball though the face? Either because they pull it to make up the difference, they grab at the ball and lose speed or whatever over correction it may be that leads to the change made when getting up on the opposite lane.

Watching the ball through the pins is great, watching other bowlers ball reaction is great, how the lanes are changing even as you are sitting. If you leave a flat 10 or ringing 10 or almost a 10 just be mindful of the shot and if the reason was something you did versus what the lane may have changed. It is no doubt a fine line that your comfort level will play a huge roll in.

avabob · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2015, 05:35:42 AM »

It really depends on how the ball comes off the break point for me and how many boards I am covering. In the long run I know I am going to have to make moves left over the course of a few games. It is tougher on house shots than on flatter patterns because on the flat patterns the balls starts early and usually goes high when it is time to move. On a house shot you can get either that, or the burn out weak ten which can be a more difficult decision on how to adjust.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2015, 06:18:56 AM »

Being proactive instead of reactive when the lanes are changing is what gets good bowlers to the next level. Most of the time if you wait until you miss to move you are now a move and a half behind.

When you bowl league at a place after you bowl for a few weeks you should have a general idea of how the lanes are going to change throughout the night. Staying ahead of the changes is how you shoot big numbers. Especially how they change for your team through the 10th/1st frames of each new game.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2015, 07:45:24 AM »

Quote from: itsallaboutme on November 04, 2015, 06:18:56 AM

Being proactive instead of reactive when the lanes are changing is what gets good bowlers to the next level. Most of the time if you wait until you miss to move you are now a move and a half behind.

When you bowl league at a place after you bowl for a few weeks you should have a general idea of how the lanes are going to change throughout the night. Staying ahead of the changes is how you shoot big numbers. Especially how they change for your team through the 10th/1st frames of each new game.

+1 million

Good bowlers know what to expect and anticipate the required moves. You may not always get it right, but you need to be proactive.

But if I leave a typical flat 10 (ball burning up), I will adjust or change balls depending on the line and the ball. Leave a typical ringing 10 (ball not getting into roll), then I will adjust or change balls.

Ultimately, the bowler needs to observe the problem and accept it. Then they need to adjust to try and correct it. This is the only way they will generate a library of knowledge for the next time they go out. If the do the same thing every time or don't acknowledge the problem then they will continue to do the same thing. I guess it is an addiction after all.

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2015, 08:20:27 AM »

The issue is that most everyday bowlers don't watch their ball all the way through the pins. As such, they think they deserve a strike every time the ball makes it to the 1-3 or 1-2. As has been mentioned, watching what the ball does as it goes through the deck is vital information that can help you decide what adjustments need to be made.

As for me, I try to be as proactive as possible because that's the only way to shoot the big numbers. When I was younger, if I was striking, I'd stay locked into that ball and that spot until something tripped me up. Sadly, it was usually something like a big split that took a big bite out of my score. Now, I try to stay ahead of the moves as much as possible. There have been times where I've moved a little bit too soon, but I've found myself making the right decisions more often than not.

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2015, 09:55:49 AM »

Quote from: spmcgivern on November 04, 2015, 07:45:24 AM

Good bowlers know what to expect and anticipate the required moves. You may not always get it right, but you need to be proactive.

Ultimately, the bowler needs to observe the problem and accept it. Then they need to adjust to try and correct it. This is the only way they will generate a library of knowledge for the next time they go out. If the do the same thing every time or don't acknowledge the problem then they will continue to do the same thing.

I could not agree more. Well put.

avabob · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2015, 11:53:22 AM »

Something that hasn't been mentioned, and we are all guilty of it. When I am really throwing the ball well and hammering the pocket then make a shot I know isn't great that goes high I will sometimes try to make a better shot and not move. Bad idea. 9 out of ten times the shot has transitioned, and I have just pured the last couple so well that they don't get the early read.

Also, sometimes when you are missing your mark it is time to move. I am currently bowling on a 47 foot Scorpion pattern in a house with old very worn anvil lane. Shot moves in very quickly, and more important it can be hard to get the ball to push to your mark. I have seen guys say they are missing their mark and focus on trying to power the ball through the heads rather than ball down and/or move even further in.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2015, 12:13:04 PM »

Quote from: avabob on November 04, 2015, 11:53:22 AM

Also, sometimes when you are missing your mark it is time to move. I am currently bowling on a 47 foot Scorpion pattern in a house with old very worn anvil lane. Shot moves in very quickly, and more important it can be hard to get the ball to push to your mark. I have seen guys say they are missing their mark and focus on trying to power the ball through the heads rather than ball down and/or move even further in.

I agree here. Many people don't realize why they are missing their mark, especially the further down the lane people look. You have to have intermediate targets to give you an idea of what the overall reaction looks like. And when that isn't accomplished, you need to try and figure out why. Did the ball path go as planned? If not, where on the lane did the shot deviate? Then, what is the fix for that portion of the lane?

Also, most bowlers need to have an understanding of their personal deviation. What should they consider "accurate" for slide and target. Once that is known, then knowing when to make adjustments should be easier. I might look at 15, but if I hit 16, then for me, that is a adequate shot. If the result isn't desired then I should adjust. I shouldn't wait to see if I can split 15 before I decide if an adjustment is made.

Luvswatch · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2015, 01:01:05 PM »

I have come to the conclusion to make the move sooner after 1 "errant" shot, than assume is was just me missing the target by a small margin and wait 3 frames to realize I was wrong.

xrayjay · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2015, 01:35:04 PM »

the late sawbones gave me one tip many years ago...in fact I thought about him when I wrote this post. I never met the man in person, but he helped me learn the importance of watching pins dance and where the ball ends up at the end of the deck.

With that said, one of the things that helps me staying ahead of the pattern besides watching where the ball ends up at the end of the deck and pin action, is my footwork.

Knowing I drift one board negative makes it easier to adjust, likewise being aware and knowing I rolled a good ball or not. Knowing the equipment too. Many of my friends don't know how much they drift or not. They don't really want, or know how to adjust when their ball is hitting the pocket and deflecting, or driving too hard. Most don't even know their equipment. Yet, they are over par LOL.

Guys like myself with <300 rely more on being accurate. High rev guys carry more deflected shots than guys like me IMO. So yes, Being "proactive" is paramount.

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