Author Topic: Who could I submit ideas to? (Read 1635 times)

Buddy Christ · « **on:** May 01, 2009, 05:35:22 AM »

I've been drawing core designs/writing possible coverstock ideas the past few days, and I'm wondering who I could get in contact with to submit them. Brand really doesn't matter.

Thanks.

Edited on 5/1/2009 1:35 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:53:15 PM »

I don't know, but would bet, that for every ONE person who has a good design idea, there are probably MANY who have no idea and just send in garbage.

That will probably make it very hard to get your ideas looked at seriously, even if they ARE good ones. It is easier to just put them in "file 13" with all the others, and have your own R&D team design stuff. That is what they are paid for.

I had a couple of ideas several years ago and tried to get them looked at by some people, but never got any results. Soon after, there was a ball released that was QUITE SIMILAR to an idea I had. They didn't steal my idea, because I never got any response and never sent it in, but the balls weightblock and cover strength were reasonably similar to my doodlings and thoughts.

Good luck, perhaps things will go better with your ideas.
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Buddy Christ · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2009, 02:03:23 PM »

Juggernaut,

Thank you for the advice. I tried to draw out as many already designed cores as I could find, and think of a way to radically improve the design, or at least tweak it a little bit by adding a half-pancake block at a 9-12 o'clock, and 3-6 o'clock. Just weird things, you know? I'm also trying to figure out some other additives for coverstock design, but I'm no scientist, and I don't have a way of testing, so it's merely nothing more than day dreaming. I think I'll take the advice of stashing them, at least for now.

Thanks again.

Oskuposer · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2009, 02:10:13 PM »

physics thats what you need to be credible. Its like why the car companies won't listen to mechanics when designing a car but instead go to engineers. Alot of R&D goes into bowling balls especially new things.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2009, 02:22:49 PM »

Buddy,

Don't let me dissuade you, you MAY have the next great idea! If you believe you do have one, probably your best bet would be to contact a "grass roots" company, not one of the "big boys" in the industry.

One thing is, there are now so many "proven" cores out there that have been dis-continued by their original owners and the rights sold to smaller companies like SPORTS-TEC and CAFFEINE sports that it would be hard to get a "new" idea by an unknown person looked at.

Big companies ( like Storm or Ebonite ) have plenty of money to spend on R&D and don't need our ideas. Smaller companies have limited capital and can't afford to "bet" it on some unknown, untested theories of an untrained "lay" person.

All that being said, try visionary. They seem to be very customer/consumer oriented and MIGHT at least give your ideas a thought or two if they look promising.

Other than that, maybe MOTIV or SEISMIC might take a look, but you would just have to find out how to get in touch with their design/tech department to find out.
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bowlerdawg · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2009, 02:30:43 PM »

why not talk to ryan @ kenetic / seismic
he has just started his own co, and he seems very helpful

also might want to hit up L1 or visionary

i think you will get more mileage from smaller companies
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Buddy Christ · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:16:40 PM »

Thanks for the advice guys. It's only been a couple days worth of drawing and researching, but I'll keep at it and post anything I deem worthy.

Gazoo · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:19:32 PM »

Here's a core design you can build an entire company around (double the power, double the strikes) and take the bowling world by storm. Also makes a great snack for pet lovers.

http://www.dltk-kids.com/crafts/birthday/dog_bone_birthday_cake.htm
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oprahsdouche · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:23:41 PM »

Hate to burst bubbles but shapes dont matter!
its all about Rg and Diff.....matched with cover....something inside a ball doesnt make a flipping difference on how it moves on the lane. How the core flares and when it flares is determined by densities used not the shape.

Buddy Christ · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:31:59 PM »

quote:
Hate to burst bubbles but shapes dont matter!
its all about Rg and Diff.....matched with cover....something inside a ball doesnt make a flipping difference on how it moves on the lane. How the core flares and when it flares is determined by densities used not the shape.

And your point? I'm drawing core designs to draw core designs. I can't test them anyways, so what do I care how they react?

Obvious troll is obvious.

oprahsdouche · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:37:35 PM »

I'm not trolling. I was making a statement that holds water. I am just thinking from the outside whats the point in drawing cores and submitting them to companies? Are you looking for compensation on your end?

Buddy Christ · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:42:27 PM »

quote:
I'm not trolling. I was making a statement that holds water. I am just thinking from the outside whats the point in drawing cores and submitting them to companies? Are you looking for compensation on your end?

Not really. I'm a naturally creative person. It's basically all I do. I just think it's cool to look at something and say, "I did that." Like I said though I'm also researching coverstock technology. It has nothing to do with performance, as like said, I can't personally test them, but, if I company chooses to run with one of my ideas, if I submit them, I think that'd be worth the effort put into the original work.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:47:38 PM »

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also might want to hit up L1 or visionary..

If it's not shaped like a diamond, they're not interested..
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L1 is one of the companies I was refering to. Several years ago, a guy who lived around here was doing some repping for them and doing some sales stuff. He was a friend of mine, so we talked about the DIAMOND weightblocks used by them. I suggested that, to give them some diversity, they could design some balls with "cut" diamond weightblocks ( like MARQUIS cut, EMERALD cut, etc...), but never heard anything back about them. No biggie, it was just a couple of guys talking.

Soon after, L1 started coming out with "cut" weightblocks. Probably not from my idea, just an idea whose time had come and others had come to some of the same conclusions/ideas that I had.

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J_w73 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:16:46 PM »

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Hate to burst bubbles but shapes dont matter!
its all about Rg and Diff.....matched with cover....something inside a ball doesnt make a flipping difference on how it moves on the lane. How the core flares and when it flares is determined by densities used not the shape.

agreed.. the core look is just marketing. If it looks cool or menacing it will sell balls.. If it looks jacked up then it could turn off some people..
If you can write a cool little tagline about the core even better..Example.. twisted fury..
"twisted" core

does it make any difference that the core was twisted.. I think it just gave it a cooler look..
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Smash49 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:55:52 PM »

That's kind of the way things get started in bowling. I spoke with a woman that owns one of the worlds largest bowling products companies a few years ago. She told me that her and her husband started the company on their kitchen table! Their garage was at one time full of bowling balls. Now they are BIG! Our little company started with a concept that has been done in bowling since the invention of the bowling shoe. We improved things, received patents and grew. There are some bowling ball companies that are small. A large part of the industry is fairly small. Ideas and people thinking of improvements improve the sport.

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