win a ball from Bowling.com
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?  (Read 1854 times)

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« on: November 22, 2006, 12:59:07 PM »
i bowled with a friend today and i noticed that all her balls (x factor, flash force) were drilled and then i asked her whether she goes to tournaments (junior) with those balls and she said yes.

now, im not too sure about the flash force, but i know that the x factor is pretty strong, if she goes to a tournament with sport condition, and those balls drilled negative, what would be the point??

shes stroker, low revs.
--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!
Logged

 

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 09:18:38 PM »
uhmm according to the machine, she throws around 20-22 km/h

and thats faster than my shots (19-20)

her track is pretty far away from the finger and thumb hole, does the track has anything thing to do with this type of drilling?

i thought it was good to have versatility in the arsenal, so, something from strong to week, but i never saw something strong...

i tried her x factor (i was bowling 2hand style today) and when the ball hits the dry part, it just died... (almost the same reaction i was getting on my terminal velocity that was drilled negative as well)
--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!
Logged

Xfest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2772
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2006, 09:23:09 PM »
And which today 22 km/h goes to about 13-14 mph, which is a pretty slow ball speed.
--------------------
ÈĻ Arsenèl - Formerly known as lane1what
Track Mean Machine Lane #1 Solid Cobalt Bomb
Storm Paradigm Lane #1 Dirty Bomb
Track Machine Storm Jolt Pearl
Storm SpitFire Track Desert Heat
Brunswick Spiral Viz-a-Ball
Logged
- Kenny "The Kid" Skidmore
The Bowler's Shop, Anderson IN
      "Now that's MONEYYY!"

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2006, 09:26:26 PM »
uhmm im not too sure about the accuracy of the machine meters, but its about 3 - 3.5 second from the release to the pins
--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!
Logged

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2006, 09:42:09 PM »
by negative i was refering that the pin was below and left of the middle finger with the cg on the right side of the center of grip (maybe im not using the right term)

and of course, shes righty
--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!
Logged

sdbowler

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4066
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2006, 09:44:20 PM »
Most of my stuff is drilled with the pin right around the middle finger. With me being a spinner that is what works for me. I have tried with "normal" pin placements and those have worked but most of the equipment is with pin on midline or a little to the left of it.
--------------------
Brunswick
Logged

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2006, 10:07:04 PM »
ohhh that might be the reason of the layout!

close to spinner means low track??
--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!
Logged

novawagonmaster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4279
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2006, 08:58:04 AM »
From what I can figure, this will cause the ball to flare less, so I could see a slower player using this drill to keep the ball from overreacting. Still, with such low speeds, I can see both of you having trouble with agressive equipment burning up ("died" as you said). You might want to try polishing up the cover to help the ball retain some energy, or go to a less agressive ball.
--------------------
Jon (in Ohio)
CHROME WON'T GET YOU HOME!
F.O.S. Proud Saw user...see profile.


Edited on 11/23/2006 9:50 AM

Edited on 11/23/2006 9:50 AM
Logged

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2006, 10:40:09 AM »
nova, yea what u saying is correct, maybe the actual layout is not designed for the way i play the lanes (was playing 15-5) on a fresh oil ths, my friend was getting the reaction she wants tho (not a big backend but it continues thru the pins). The ball was already polished and i dont really think she throws it slow.



anyway, i think the best answer is from sdbowler

how much mph will be for a 3-3.5 seconds count from the release to the pins? i only know km/h (oversea education)

--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!

This guy on youtube posts videos of the PBA
for ppl who dont watch TV or want to save the matches this will be great!
link! click me
Logged

JohnP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5819
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2006, 06:37:26 PM »
When you say her balls are all drilled negative, I'm assuming you mean with the pin left of the middle finger.  This may or may not be a weak drilling.  It all depends on her PAP location.  If she is a low tracker, the pin to PAP distance, which is the major factor in tuning the ball's reaction, could be really quite strong.  You can't make any assumptions from the pin location unless you know the pin to PAP distance.  --  JOhnP
Logged

burly

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 327
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2006, 08:08:49 PM »
well according to your definition of negative...many of my bowling balls are drilled negative....but they sure have positive results for me.

just look at my profile to see what i mean....i throw the ball 16 to 17mph


--------------------
###############################################
 check my profile for my stats
Logged

APheLion

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1367
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2006, 10:11:00 PM »
thx guys for clarifying the definition of negative (i thought it was depending on the center of grip and not on the PAP)

but now my question is:

how far away from the PAP is a layout considered to be negative?
--------------------
I go one hand or twohanded, and mighty zone 2 is ALLMIGHTY!

This guy on youtube posts videos of the PBA
for ppl who dont watch TV or want to save the matches this will be great!
link! click me
Logged

Buzzhead

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2002
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2006, 10:53:24 PM »
If I am correct and I don't know if I am, I think the answer is 6 3/4 or 6 3/8 from pap is the fartherest you can go without going into a negative quad.....
--------------------
Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins

Proud SOLDIER of the FOS!!I wanna be the HITMAN!!!
Logged
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!

Buzzhead

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2002
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2006, 10:54:16 PM »
If I am correct and I don't know if I am, I think the answer is 6 3/4 or 6 3/8 from pap is the fartherest you can go without going into a negative quad.....
--------------------
Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins

Proud SOLDIER of the FOS!!I wanna be the HITMAN!!!
Logged
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!

Buzzhead

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2002
Re: Why would some1 have all the arsenal drilled negative?
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2006, 10:54:35 PM »
If I am correct and I don't know if I am, I think the answer is 6 3/4 or 6 3/8 from pap is the fartherest you can go without going into a negative quad.....
--------------------
Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins

Proud SOLDIER of the FOS!!I wanna be the HITMAN!!!
Logged
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!
Pages: [1] 2
« previous next »