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Pinbuster

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Wichita PTQ experience
« on: November 24, 2004, 12:39:53 AM »
I bowled the PTQ in Wichita yesterday, didn’t do real well but here are my observations of the experience.

There was a meeting the night before for non-members. They went thru what products were allowed, dress code, expected behavior, and lane pattern. I was surprised at how many didn’t know they had to have shirts with their names on the back and how many didn’t seem to own a pair of slacks. Several were in trouble because the used wrist devices not approved, a couple of guys withdrew at this point.

The other thing stated was that pattern during the PTQ was not the same as the tournament pattern. The tournament pattern is symmetrical the PTQ is not. They shift the pattern to the right and dry out the left side some and put more oil on the right. They felt because of the predominance of right handed players this evened out the play.

They also announce that there would be a practice session in the morning before the PTQ. The PTQ was on lanes 7 thru 28 and the practice lanes were 36 thru 48. Practice would be 10 AM to 11:30.

I decided to go to the practice. The lanes were very tight with some much more so that others. I was able to get a pretty good reaction using a V2 clean hitting 8 and going to 4, on the slicker lanes I ended up playing straight down 4. After about 20 minutes I would sit down for 15 minutes and then throw a couple of shots to see how they transitioned.

The allowed entries up to 11:00 AM and they had a couple come in. Roll call was 11:30 and they went over the rules again.

Practice started at 11:45. I throw my first shot like I did in practice and I hit the 4 pin. The lanes are nothing like they were in practice. I move deeper and start hitting the hole, no big problem. At the end of practice I start to lose my reaction and need to make a move.

Now we start and I’m lost. I either wash out or split 8 of the first 9 shots, 2 were pocket 7 – 10’s, I pick up several, change balls in the 6th, long story short 146 and I’m pretty much done. I’ve moved inside the 3rd arrow at this point.

After that I bowl OK. I can’t seem to string more than a couple strikes and somewhere end up throwing a split. I keep shooting 180 to 200. I run out of room on the right lane and have to throw hard and force the ball. The left lane I finish up on 5th arrow.

I crossed with Kelly Bonta who won the amateur slot. He and the others that did well were all in the drift left throw right with soft releases. They didn’t get the overreaction and were able to get deep enough to keep finding oil. One player who ended up 10th can play extremely straight, he was far enough away I didn’t see how he was playing the lanes but I doubt if he was deeper than 3rd arrow at the end.

All in all a good experience, I thought play was very slow 5 hours for 9 games with only 4 on a pair. The pair courtesy made shooting spares a little more difficult for me because you might wait a couple of minutes to shoot your spares. I was a little disappointed in that I missed around 8 spares (4 were ten pins) that I should have picked up but it wouldn’t have gotten me much closer. I was also disappointed that the practice pairs seemed so different to the qualifying pairs. I haven’t had a chance to talk to other bowlers I know who tried the PTQ to ask them how they felt they differed. I would have been better off not practicing early.

It reinforced what I already knew that my style doesn’t match up well to these conditions. I obviously need more oil and more taper to the pattern than they gave. My style lends me to jam the ball in the hole and my mistakes tend to be inside and I need some oil to lean on, here the better mistakes were to miss right.




 

 

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2004, 08:55:20 AM »
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...... with soft releases.


Quoted from your post. Here you have nailed bowling on tough patterns in 3 words. The benefit of this is that you hit the easy shots better and carry like you would not believe.

It sounds like you had a pretty good experience regardless of the outcome. I'm sure you'll bowl much better than usual on your normal league night after facing a tough challenge like you described.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2004, 08:56:08 AM »
Glad you got to experience it and wrote it up here PB.  

Your last paragraph sums up best what many PBA regional guys tell me also.  Long low releases allowing ball to get down lane are better overall for most PBA patterns.  Grabbing hitting the ball won't work at all.  

We get to lazy bowling on house China huh PB????

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2004, 09:40:50 AM »
No regrets for doing it.

I have been working on softening my release the last 6 months or so and I had been seeing good results in my leagues. I was curious on how it would hold up on tougher conditions. While it is better it still doesn’t get me there. After 40 years it’s hard to change styles completely.

The biggest thing I would need to change now is to drift to the left, open my shoulders, and throw right. If not that then I need to be able to throw a lot harder without forcing the shot. Too many times today I run out of room on the approaches.  

I would like to have been able to stay on the lanes and throw several different balls and lines after we were done to see if something else would have worked better.

I still wonder how much different it would have been had the qualifying lanes played like the practice lanes.

While I readily admit I’m a house hack, I’m not a spray painter, I’m generally accurate and good speed control, CATS had all my numbers well over the 220 average range other than ball speed which was a touch slow. I’ve bowled with a lot of PBA players in my league and they like to follow me because they can read my shots.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2004, 10:27:38 AM »
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I still wonder how much different it would have been had the qualifying lanes played like the practice lanes.


I've bowled in many PBA events and have never seen them the same from practice to tournament. They are always easier in practice. My theory is that it is caused by players only throwing strike shots during practice, not attempting spares which would spread the oil differently.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2004, 10:30:53 AM »
Shotmaker – But I got to throw on both of them freshly run and they didn’t even seem close to me.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2004, 10:43:13 AM »
He qualified and is bowling Pete Weber at 6 pm.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2004, 01:22:08 PM »
We had one lefty on our pair but there was at least 10 in the PTQ. He bowled pretty good and finished over but not in the money.

While I believe the lanes transitioned some for him it was nothing like it was for the right handed bowlers. He started around 12 from the left and ended up around 15.

He was in pretty good shape after 4 games then got hit by a 170 and 160 something that brought him down to even. He then finished with 3 games over.

His last game was 240 but he had 3 Brooklyn strikes in a 7 bagger to start the game.

Another lefty was next us and he played outside virtually all day from what I saw. He just kept throwing harder and harder.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2004, 01:41:59 PM »
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Shotmaker – But I got to throw on both of them freshly run and they didn’t even seem close to me.


Did you notice any significant differences in ventilation systems between ends of the house?  That could have been one big difference...

Another possibility is that y'all became guinea pigs to see if there was a decided difference between one tweak or another on those lanes...

Or...practice pattern was predetermined but the PTQ pattern was shifted based upon actual entries.


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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2004, 01:54:52 PM »
Michelle – I don’t bowl this house regularly.

They, of course, held the WIBC nationals doubles and singles there (NorthRock). The house has 17 year old Avilane.

The PTQ was done in the middle of the house and practice was on the far end.  On the practice area the further away you got from the control desk the slicker the lanes became.

The one solution I had was lane wear and topology. I would assume the lanes in front of the control counter get a lot more play than the far end but I don’t know for sure.

The simple result is that I just didn't hit them and others could.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2004, 12:06:54 PM »
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After that I bowl OK. I can’t seem to string more than a couple strikes and somewhere end up throwing a split. I keep shooting 180 to 200. I run out of room on the right lane and have to throw hard and force the ball. The left lane I finish up on 5th arrow.  


Sounds just like Northrock to me!

For Queens last May, the ONLY thing I had was between 4th and 5th arrow. Talk about OUT OF MY COMFORT ZONE!!!
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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2004, 02:46:35 PM »
PB, glad to see you take a risk in hopes of truly measuring yourself against great bowlers on difficult conditions.  Unfortunately the way the lanes are playing these days, it looks like you need to revamp your approach to learn the sideways drift to the left.  You have the shotmaking skills, just not enough approach to utilize them.  Too bad with all the bowling lanes we have that there are very few opportunities to bowl on anything but a THS.  Hard to find out if your hard work is going to pay off.

Kelly Bonta is a fine player who can compete with the pros when he gets comfortable.  I watched the first session Tuesday and saw almost everybody playing inside without letting the ball feed much past 10.  That type of shot fits right in his wheelhouse.  He also bowls league at Northrock and had tons of friends to support him.  Great situation for him.  Just sorry to see him lose out.  I would have made a great story for the show.

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Re: Wichita PTQ experience
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2004, 10:58:45 PM »
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did we forget that Bonta totally dominates Wichita?  oh wait thats just anywhere that dude goes.  bowled same squad as him in Springfield...the guy slaughtered, got in max (80) brackets and i bet he won 65-70 of them IF NOT ALL, the guy is an animal also gotta rep him cause he's a Kansas nigga like me peaceeeee
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