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Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« on: January 24, 2011, 04:14:45 AM »
Why Manufacturers Enforce MAP







There are many reasons why manufacturers may impose such pricing policies:







* Manufacturers want to protect brand image, which discounting can work against for premium brands and new, innovative products



* High margin is an incentive for retailers (who are the manufacturer’s extended sales force) to promote these items more than others (although without the ability to offer price breaks, it’s harder to incentivize consumers to buy)



* Maintaining MAP or MSRP maintains retail value so manufacturers can retain wholesale pricing



* To prevent bargain basement retailers from underselling other resellers of the product (who may discontinue selling these brands or complain to the manufacturer)







MAP doesn’t necessarily apply forever, especially for seasonal products or categories like consumer electronics where new models are constantly hitting the market. But under a MAP policy, a product must be sold at a MSRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) until the manufacturer permits a markdown.



How MAP Affects Retailers







Some retailers will benefit from the level-playing field (smaller retailers, those with higher operational costs or lower efficiency and retailers with a reputation for excellent customer service), and enjoy extra margin to boot. Though certain industries will suffer, especially in this economy, as sales velocity doesn’t occur until the price moves South. For example, HomeCenter.com reports certain price-sensitive product lines sell $150,000 per month when discounted vs. $10,000 when sold at MAP.







Another downside is inventory costs. If in this economy, people are hanging on to their older model consumer electronics rather than buying the latest models, that inventory is going to back up. Without the ability to markdown, the retailer must deal with the stale stock. The manufacturer has received its money, but also loses as it won’t be refilling inventory for resellers.







And as with any rule, MAP is bound to be broken. Online retailers are already using “click to see price” in pop-up windows, “add to cart to see price” and “email for quote” tactics. Retailers who take the high road and adhere to MAP pricing often find themselves forced to lower prices to compete, or honoring price-matches once discounters run out of product.







Break MAP at Your Own Risk







Technically, concealing price from product pages is akin to a brick-and-mortar store showing one sticker price, and a salesperson verbally offering a price break to a customer in-store. It’s not an advertised price, nor a displayed price. But that raises the question — if it’s not advertised in email, PPC, shopping engine or other promotional material — is showing a sub-MAP price on a product page really “advertising”?







Retailers who walk this thin line must be careful not to let these prices slip through data feeds and into shopping engines, search engines or any other promotion. Even with diligence, it’s easy to get caught breaking MAP. Spy firms like NetEnforcers Inc charge upwards of $100,000 per month to mystery shop online retailers on behalf of manufacturers and have already caught many in the act. Offenders are notified by NetEnforcers to correct pricing which is typically restored within a few hours. If the seller is not a licensed dealer, the seller may be slapped with copyright infringement.



Alternative Incentives to Discounts







Most manufacturers don’t balk when retailers offer free shipping, gift with purchase, gift cards with purchase or a % off an additional, non-MAP protected item when promoting a MAP item. So long as the dollar value of the product is not reduced, everything’s cool. Offering coupon codes is another way to reduce the price without reducing the price, but be very careful that you don’t advertise the coupon to be applied to the MAP product (that would be advertising). To be safe, if you’re offering a coupon code, always mention which items are excluded from the promotion. For example, Austad’s has a special landing page that lists all the excluded brands and a brief explanation at the bottom:







What About the Consumer?







Obviously consumers don’t like paying more for products, especially in this economy where people expect everything to be on sale. (On the flip-side, if consumers stop buying non-essentials, however discounted, they actually come out ahead).







Consumers skilled at online comparison shopping might be frustrated to find no price breaks (with the exceptions of retailers who break MAP or on factory refurbished products), or may hunt out free shipping offers and other incentives. Comparison engines that display the total cost including taxes and shipping will aid these customers, as will those that provide seller ratings to help them decide who to ultimately buy from.







Internet Retailer raised the question “will consumers continue to shop the Web if they can’t get better deals online than in store?” and cite research by Forrester, the e-tailing group and Carnegie-Mellon University:







* 49% of counsumers shop online for convenience, 46% for selection and 43% for value (Forrester)



* Price was important to 80% of online shoppers, but ranked fifth among benefits of shopping online (e-tailing group)



* Online consumers are willing to pay $1.72 more on average to buy books from brand-name retailers than unfamiliar merchants (Carnegie-Mellon)







“I don’t see it leading to a mass exodus from the Internet, because lower price isn’t the dominant reason people get value from the Internet,” says Carnegie-Mellon professor Michael Smith. “But taking away the little guys’ pricing advantage will strengthen the hand of the large players.”







In this economy, manufacturers of premium brands and non-essential products (purchases which can be deferred without severe loss of standard of living) likely have to give a little, and remove restrictions earlier. So the whole MAP thing might not be as much of a headache for retailers after all.





 
Edited by Coolerman on 1/24/2011 at 1:15 PM

 

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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 01:14:09 PM »
No, I don't think they will...
 
Pro shops have had to deal with online pricing for 12 years now...
 
Now after just about 3 months of set pricing, you are worried about online dealers going out...
 
Surprised more were never worried about pro shops making it, for the last 12 years...
 
The golf industry has Set pricing... And is doing very well...........


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 01:41:13 PM »
Do golfers buy new clubs every month like bowlers buy new balls every month?  Seriously, I do not know, not being a golfer.



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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 02:10:26 PM »
JLS.I'm just posing a rhetorical question.I think they will be just fine.

 

And the retail pro shops will be able to compete again. 



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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 03:18:08 PM »
Good read.

 

Golf may have map pricing but a new set of irons can be purchased cheaper online in many cases then in stores. Also you usually get free shipping and no taxes. Depending on where you live no taxes on $800+ is some nice savings.

 

Still in golf you don't buy a new set of clubs nearly as often as many bowlers get new bowling balls. It is nice to get a new driver on Ebay for $59 shipped that was $399 two years before.


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 08:22:41 AM »
Golf industry does not use MAP pricing other than Ping.  Ping is the only mfg. that follows a strict MAP pricing policy.  All others are very nebulous.  If you go on eBay or check on-line you find the newest clubs of major brands at reduced pricing if you search hard enough. 
 
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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 10:54:05 AM »
Excuse me sir, but I don't think so... Just talked to the Cleveland rep about  CG15 wedges...He stated that the price on them is indeed set by Cleveland at $119...
 
And when I check all the major online dealers in golf,  they ARE ALL selling the same product at the same price...
 
Just check out the R-11 driver and post who online is selling it lower...Check out Titleist golf balls... No one is selling a Pro V1 lower than $39.95...The price set by Titleist...
 
 
 
Can't speak for Ebay... And I wouldn't trust anything sold in golf on ebay...To much funny stuff there...
 
Why just a few years ago someone bought about a huge amount of Titleist Golf balls on ebay... Then he sold them to various shops across the country... At a super low price... Turned out all the balls were fake... And that person who sold them was sued by Titleist...After they Seized all the fake balls from his warehouse...
 
And there have be many reports of fake drivers being sold on Ebay...So yes, you might see something for less on Ebay,  but the question is,  is it the real McCoy or not...
 
 
Now what Scott said about Ping is correct... they have it and probably due the best job of enforcing it... But most of the major companies due have set pricing, but may not be as strict as Ping when it comes to enforcing it...
scotts33 wrote on 1/25/2011 9:22 AM:
Golf industry does not use MAP pricing other than Ping.  Ping is the only mfg. that follows a strict MAP pricing policy.  All others are very nebulous.  If you go on eBay or check on-line you find the newest clubs of major brands at reduced pricing if you search hard enough. 
 
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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 11:31:53 AM »
Serious question... Why isn't MAP considered price fixing, collusion,  or gouging?


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2011, 11:37:16 AM »
They'll probably do better than before. They have been "forced" to double their profits. Their volume of sales certainly hasn't been cut in half, so they clearly making more gross profit than before.

 

When Ebonite forced pricing,the big 3 complained loudly. I don't hear a peep from them after Storm follwed suit.



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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2011, 11:44:33 AM »
I think it's because each ball maker sets their own price without consulting the other ball makers. If they all had a conference or otherwise communicated with each other to set a base price, then it would be price fixing. As it is now, the pricing varies quite a bit between ball makers. Even within a company, Storm balls tend to be higher in price than Roto-Grip for instance.
 



9andaWiggle wrote on 1/25/2011 12:31 PM:
Serious question... Why isn't MAP considered price fixing, collusion,  or gouging?


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »

 



milorafferty wrote on 1/25/2011 12:44 PM:
I think it's because each ball maker sets their own price without consulting the other ball makers. If they all had a conference or otherwise communicated with each other to set a base price, then it would be price fixing. As it is now, the pricing varies quite a bit between ball makers. Even within a company, Storm balls tend to be higher in price than Roto-Grip for instance.
 






9andaWiggle wrote on 1/25/2011 12:31 PM:

Serious question... Why isn't MAP considered price fixing, collusion,  or gouging?


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That makes sense.  Thanks!

 


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 07:00:21 PM »
 
 scorelow.com has them "on sale" for $104.  Free shipping.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 08:23:10 PM »
I found numerous TM R011 for $359 with free shipping from reputable sellers these are not copies or clones.
 
 
MAP means nothing in the golf industry except for Ping.  These models will be dropped to 1/2 price in 4 to 6 months as soon as the next greatest latest comes out.
 
Go ahead jls fit yourself.....buy one.


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2011, 08:05:58 AM »
Scott,   Are these dealers selling on Ebay...
I can easily get 10-15% off and sometimes even more from local pro shops... And I don't have to worry about them being fakes...  Not talking about clones...They have a different name like T 11...
 
But the ones listed as a R-9 or R-11... They have been many of those selling on Ebay that may have been  fakes... Not to long ago read about a big raid in Florida...
 
A few years back, 2007 I believe, I won a bid on Ebay for a R-7 driver...Two seconds,  two seconds after I finished paying for it on Pay Pal, I received an email from Ebays fraud dept...telling me the auction I just won was a fake.... Two f-ing seconds after I paid for it on Pay pal...  
 
Took me about 10 days to get my money back...
 
Never bought another golf club on Ebay since...
 
I 'll take my chances and pay a few bucks more at a pro shop to make sure I'm  getting the real McCoy...
scotts33 wrote on 1/25/2011 9:23 PM:
I found numerous TM R011 for $359 with free shipping from reputable sellers these are not copies or clones.
 
 
MAP means nothing in the golf industry except for Ping.  These models will be dropped to 1/2 price in 4 to 6 months as soon as the next greatest latest comes out.
 
Go ahead jls fit yourself.....buy one.


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Re: Will online retailers go under because of MAP ?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2011, 08:17:38 AM »
These are TM R-11's  not counterfeit.for $349 with free shipping.  You said "Just check out the R-11 driver and post who online is selling it lower."  MAP from TM is $399.00.  I just showed you that many dealers are selling TM R-11 drivers for $349.  That's lower than MAP.  Hence yes TM, Cleveland and other major brands are selling lower than their MAP pricing.  Ping is the ONLY major brand that enforces MAP.  That's my point.

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