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Big Jake

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Yet another urethane Q
« on: March 23, 2014, 05:36:14 PM »
Hello Bowlers,
 My question is about todays current urethane balls that are out like the Motive "Tank", Storm "Natural Pearl", Storm "Super Natural", Hammer "Blue", and Rotos "Grenade".

 I do have the "Grenade" which I love but I am interested in getting a stronger urethane if there such a thing...I'm thinking that Motive "Tank" is the strongest one out now but I dont know that why I'm in here asking...whats your guys/gals opinion??

Thanks, Jake
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2014, 06:12:09 PM »
Stronger how? Urethane motion vs resin motion are completely different? Urethane responds more front to back where resin responds side to side...
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
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Stronger how?

Meaning that if all of those were drilled the same and thrown by the same person then one of those would probably be the stronger urethane ball and perhaps a lot stronger in the urethane world!
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2014, 11:27:20 PM »
Stronger is a relevant and relative question...stronger HOW? In what sense?
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Big Jake

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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2014, 11:47:55 PM »
...and you are the co-author of a book? which could handle more oil?
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 12:53:27 AM »
Strong really is a bad term. There are times when a "weaker" ball will out hook the big oilers. Some people want a ball that moves a lot in the back end, and consider that strong because of the visible hook. Others want a ball that is strong throughout the whole lane. When you say you want a ball that handles more oil, that is a much better way to phrase your question. As for my answer, I don't have the slightest clue. I am curious myself, too. Storm is also coming out with another urethane ball that has my interest. Pitch black I believe?
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Big Jake

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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 01:28:01 AM »
If I throw a plastic ball, a rubber ball, a urethane ball, a reactive resin ball, which ball  would be stronger?

DUH!!! answer, the resin ball. 

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If a 10 yr.old girl fights a 20 yr. old girl who is stronger???  answer: WHAT???? what if the 20 yr old is 4'11" and the 10 yr. old is just 5' 3'? huh??? you dumb sh!t...I co-authored a book!!!!! dont you understand, well! dont you? bowling is more advanced then building rockets, yes, thats right you all are really stupid compared to someone like me because I co-authored a book and bowling is soooooo hard for all of you pieces of sh!t to understand!

Btw, who the heck asks: what ball has more mid-lane? huh? no one does! who is the stronger bowler your 5 yr old daughter or Belmo?? answer: Belmo.

While comparing balls in the urethane world a stronger urethane is just that...more movement in oil and that is not much as we know urethane is allergic to oil.

If I asked which plastic ball is stronger the Viz-A-Ball "Bud Light" or the Viz-A-Ball "Hello Kitty"? would you answer with a Stronger how?   

and btw, JustRico, I didnt ask diddly about Urethane motion vs resin motion!
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Big Jake

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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 01:29:06 AM »
Btw, thanks lilpossum1, good post!
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 03:20:54 AM »
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!? :-)
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 03:27:26 AM »
...as long as the meat is cooked I will eat it! and then bring on the pudding :-)
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 08:15:27 AM »
Blue Hammer.
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2014, 08:50:41 AM »
JustRico was probably asking "stronger how", because not all urethane bowling balls are pure urethane. In the modern days, most urethanes have more resin than they used to.  For instance, Storm's Supernatural has more resin in it than other urethanes. You may already know that. However, it is hard to answer your question not knowing what type of urethane you are looking for. But now that you have clarified your boundaries, I would say the Tank. But please understand that surface prep will be the bigger factor to consider when looking for hook potential.
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2014, 09:38:15 AM »
Quote from: Big Jake on March 23, 2014, 11:47:55 PM
...and you are the co-author of a book? which could handle more oil?

Yet another reason industry experts don't spend much time here.

Right or wrong, stronger means different things to different people.  For some it's over all oil handling, for others it's hook at the break point.  Like he said, urethane is a different animal than resin.  When someone asks for clarification and you act like a chump, you limit your options for answers.  ...You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2014, 03:41:03 PM »
You can make any current urethane "stronger"  (definition: making a visible move toward the pocket - probably the simple definition the original poster is asking) on the lane sooner by increasing the surface grit of the ball.

take the same ball, drilled the same way, one at 400 grit and the other at 2000 grit and thrown it at the same place on the lane, and the 400 grit ball will move sooner.

Now with today's modern cores, the 400 grit will also "burn up sooner" meaning it will lose potential carry power and may hit the pocket weak and not carry as well as a ball that has not used up its potential energy.

While the 2000 grit although, it moves later down the lanes, retains more carry power and potential energy.

That's why "stronger" is a different term to different level of technical bowlers.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Yet another urethane Q
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2014, 12:42:44 AM »
Man, so many times I have read responses by Big Jake and his compete over blown reactions. Not many people know but he has authored a book too! It was called "How to be a complete douche bag" it's a follow up his best seller "I'm an asshole that takes his shortcomings out on people he doesn't know!"

Big Joke strikes again. Hey your auto sig. Should read "now throwing tantrums" Columbia doesnt want you man.

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