Author Topic: LevRG reaction help (Read 3146 times)

wpzone · « **on:** March 15, 2008, 04:32:08 PM »

I recently drilled a LevRG with the layout suggestion coming from MoRich support. Based on my stats and what I was looking for out the ball, they suggested 4 1/2 x 4, 3" buffer from the midline. This was supposed to allow me to open up the midlane on heavier patters. The reaction I got however is dead solid roll. This this is already rolling in my backswing. I have tried everything from 1000 abralon to 4000 + heavy polish on a variety of conditions and I still get the same reaction, heavy roll up the boards, forget trying to move in.

Any thoughts?

John D Davis · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2008, 12:43:24 AM »

This is a very strange ball for many players... Personally I have had 2 so far and just got a 3rd one. I cant throw any of them on heavy patterns because of the heaviness also... I am thinking maybe an insane would be good on heavier volumes, so I wouldnt plug this ball and go with a different layout. Id simply keep it for the medium conditions or whatever patterns it works good for, and try something else. I have 3 lervrgs now and to tell you the truth they're all kinda similiar rolling balls even with diff layouts. Hope this helps, John

NicholasE · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2008, 12:53:21 PM »

Well you say its rolling, when playing on heavy oil thats what you want. On heavy oil you are not going to hook the whole lane. The thing people don't understand about a heavy rolling ball is that it hooks just as much as your backend monsters but it does it over a 60 foot range as compared to your backend ball doing all its work in about 10-15'. The backend is just more noticeable then a midlane ball.

I have a LevRG that I play right with compared to most of my other equipment because it doesn't snap when it hits the dry boards on the backend. Its consistently rolling and continues a SMOOTH arch through the pocket and through the pin deck.

Its probably hooking more then you think but it doesn't do it all at one time. Now if your playing up the 1st arrow then yeah not sure what the problem is, guess the best thing to do is just give me the ball!

Anyways good luck and hope this made some sense

On Edit: Make a video showing the reaction and that would help people to know what your talking about exactly.

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Edited on 3/16/2008 12:54 PM

chitown · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2008, 03:23:31 PM »

I made a big mistake with the layout I put on my LEVRG. I placed the pin above the bridge 5.5" from my pap, MB close to the VAL. The ball got into it's roll very early and didn't have good backend recovery on heavier/ longer oil patterns. Now on medium patterns the ball had a very nice reaction. However on the longer heavy oil it was fine if I kept the ball going down and in. If I swung the ball out the recovery was horrible. The recovery on all the different long oil patterns I used it on was not good. Now keep in mind I used this ball on many tough patterns that didn't have dry boards outside to help it recover.

I talked to Charlest on this site about the reaction I was getting with this ball. He told me that with a ball like the LEVRG, that has such a strong MB, placing the MB close to my VAL was not a good idea. With my up the back release and low tilt the ball was just too early.

I don't blame the ball for my drill layout mistake. I did trade the ball into the pro-shop for instore credit and bought a BITE instead. I made sure to place the MB close to the thumb on my BITE and it has big time recovery.

Now I do think the LEVRG is a good ball. I do plan on buying another one in the near future and putting a different layout on it. I will make sure to place the pin and MB in a different location so it doesn't get into an instant roll.

Edited on 3/16/2008 3:26 PM

chatnboy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2008, 05:18:12 PM »

in addition wpzone to the varied responses of the great members here on ballreviews.com...why not also consult morich on the problem that your having???im sure they can tell you exactly what you need to know!!!theres nothing to lose!!!

wpzone · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2008, 06:14:56 PM »

Good point! They sent me the layout, along with a layout for the Awesome Revs and Nsane to compliment the LevRg, just havent tried those yet. I'll shoot them an email. As for the video, I am heading to nationals this week so maybe when I get back I can put a video together with it on various conditions. I'm not giving up on it yet, just need to find its niche. It looks like it will be a condition specific ball for me, just need to find that condition(s).

NicholasE · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:02:16 PM »

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Good point! They sent me the layout, along with a layout for the Awesome Revs and Nsane to compliment the LevRg, just havent tried those yet. I'll shoot them an email. As for the video, I am heading to nationals this week so maybe when I get back I can put a video together with it on various conditions. I'm not giving up on it yet, just need to find its niche. It looks like it will be a condition specific ball for me, just need to find that condition(s).

For me my ball is laid out with a Pin up and MB close to the val and it works great on just about all the PBA shots. Nice and controllable when it hits the dry but no if you miss your mark with it, its not going to shoot back on the backend. This ball for me works the best on the PBA shots when I keep it in the oil near the 5 board or so.
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wpzone · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:33:00 PM »

Nicholas, what surface do you have it at? I am going to play around with it tomorrow night on our PBA league, we are on the Scorpion right now.

NicholasE · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:42:35 PM »

I've got mine at 1000 abralon and it works great. Scorpion pattern I could actually swing the ball a bit. Playing about 2nd arrow to the 5 board and it would come back but the best place for me on the scorpion was up the 5 board. I used my Nsane on the scorpion mostly cause it matched up better and shot a 241 with it but the LevRG I didn't try till about the 10th frame just to see what it did and it worked well up the 5 board. I would put it to the 1000 abralon and try it going straighter on the lane. For me I like to play straight up a board to start off like the 5 or 10 and adjust from there.
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chitown · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:47:10 PM »

The LEVRG is a very strong bowling ball. This ball is plenty capable of having a big backend move even with it's super strong mid-lane read. The single most important thing with the LEVRG or any MO RICH ball is to have it drilled correctly for ones game.

My LEVERG had a very good reaction but was very condition specific for my taste. I was the one who picked out the layout to use and didn't take into account just how strong the MB was. I've had a hard time finding a really good asymmetrical layouts to use. Most of my equipment has been symmetrical and those are very easy to drill up. I know exactly what to expect from the layouts I use on those types of balls. So finding the right layouts to use on asymmetrical equipment is still a learning experience for me.

Like I said in my other reply, I traded my LEVRG into the pro shop for in-store credit. I decided not to plug and re-drill the ball because for one, my driller only allows trade in credit for single drilled balls and two, the new layout would of been in such a location that my ball track would of rolled over plugged holes which I don't want.

So I do plan on buying another NIB LEVRG. I think this is an awesome bowling ball to have because of how strong it is. This time around i'm going to use a much different layout than I had on my first LEVRG. This time i'm going with the pin above and a little right of my ring finger about 4.5" from my pap, and placing the MB 1/2" to 1" right of my thumb! This layout should help the ball retain some of it's side rotation and not get into it's roll too quick!

NicholasE · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2008, 07:51:22 PM »

I actually have a vid of me with the LevRG on a THS and Viper pattern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV9KA4c79Fk

I don't have a great form in the video. One thing you will notice is my had is farther around the side of the ball, well with MB being close to the val, I have noticed if my put more axis rotation on the ball it actually hooks about 5-8 boards more. If I come up the back of the ball it hooks less. I forgot about that till watching my self, try that as well.
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Edited on 3/16/2008 7:52 PM

wpzone · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2008, 08:00:11 PM »

I get around the ball pretty well, in the 55-70* range or so on my A game.

Chitown, my drilling is a 4 1/2 x 4 which put the pin right next to and above the ring finger and the MB is about 1 1/2" right of my thumb. The ball is at the pro shop right now so I cant verify the exact distance. You may want to try the MB under the thumb.

chitown · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2008, 08:13:56 AM »

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I get around the ball pretty well, in the 55-70* range or so on my A game.

Chitown, my drilling is a 4 1/2 x 4 which put the pin right next to and above the ring finger and the MB is about 1 1/2" right of my thumb. The ball is at the pro shop right now so I cant verify the exact distance. You may want to try the MB under the thumb.

My BITE has the pin above the ring 5" from my pap, the MB is 1/2" right of my thumb which is very close to it. I get a very strong reaction from this ball and it sometimes has too much backend movement. However, the MB strength on the BITE is not as high as it is on the LEVRG.

You maybe right about placing the MB directly under my thumb on this particular ball. The LEVRG has a low RG core which helps it rev up fast, plus the MB is very strong and the ball has tramendous mid-lane strength. So it may be wise for me to use an MB location under my thumb.

Like I said before, i'm going to buy another LEVRG because I think it's a very good bowling ball but needs to be drilled correctly for ones game and the kind of reaction there looking for.

chitown · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2008, 11:02:34 AM »

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I actually have a vid of me with the LevRG on a THS and Viper pattern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV9KA4c79Fk

I don't have a great form in the video. One thing you will notice is my had is farther around the side of the ball, well with MB being close to the val, I have noticed if my put more axis rotation on the ball it actually hooks about 5-8 boards more. If I come up the back of the ball it hooks less. I forgot about that till watching my self, try that as well.
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Edited on 3/16/2008 7:52 PM

Nicholas, I would get a similar reaction when using my LEVRG on a medium pattern. On the longer/ heavier oil the ball just didn't work very well. My LEVRG was also not very good on carry down. I adjusted the cover to 500 grit to give it a little more bite and that didn't really help all that much.

Like I said before, I just used the wrong layout for this particular ball. I won't make that mistake on the next LEVRG.

NicholasE · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2008, 11:28:51 AM »

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Nicholas, I would get a similar reaction when using my LEVRG on a medium pattern. On the longer/ heavier oil the ball just didn't work very well. My LEVRG was also not very good on carry down. I adjusted the cover to 500 grit to give it a little more bite and that didn't really help all that much.

Like I said before, I just used the wrong layout for this particular ball. I won't make that mistake on the next LEVRG.

Yeah on the Shark pattern, my levRG plays up the 10 board really well, maybe a few more boards right and I can play direct with it. I actually love the way it works. I like to attack patterns straight up the gutter if possible. BTW the vid I have doesn't show that cause I was just learning where to play at that point, I think I've gotten a bit wiser about where to play.

Overall I think its a great ball but all Morich stuff is very drill sensitive.
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