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charlest

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Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« on: November 14, 2005, 09:46:41 AM »
{Just for clarity's sake: Let me say that this post is not to place a blanket condemnation on MoRich balls. I have personally seen far too many people do well with new ones, which I see in my main center today, plus I have done well with a MoRich Labyrinth in the past. This post simply documents what I experienced with the Shock and Awe.}

OK. Now I have drilled 2 brand new S&As. One was drilled 3 times, the 2nd was drilled twice. 5 different drillings, 2 - 3 different surface changes per drilling. 4 -5 different lane surfaces (wood and synthetics), with 2 - 3 different oil amounts AND patterns per lane surface.

So I can honestly say this ball rolls, goes into a roll SUPER early unless a true high gloss polish, usable only on light - medium light oil patterns, is placed on this ball. Every other surface/drilling combination results in an early rolling, old fashioned curve ball reaction. Unless I hit dead flush or am playing an extreme outside angle (hitting 3/5 board), there is zero pin action and small carry power. The ball's coverstock (Activcator+) and my fingers provide the only force capable of overcoming this ball's overall reaction - super early roll.

How anyone gets backend reaction is beyond my powers of observation! I have spent more money on this ball and re-drillings than on any other ball EVER, between new ball purchases, re-drilling, time, driving to the driller, etc, my expenses must be in the $600 - $1000 range. Thus I will, more than likely, not experiment with another Morich ball again. Maybe its requrements are just beyond the level of my expertise. Certainly, others seem to be very happy with their S&As. My Intense Inferno with the same coverstock has been wonderful. Every surface change and every re-drilling has provided a new level of usage. I'm on my 3rd drilling of my original II and I still love it.

Heck, Mo Pinel, himself, in person, drilled my first Shock and Awe, after analyzing my delivery and release. Still didn't work.

If nothing else, this is final proof that not all balls work for all deliveries.
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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2005, 06:41:42 PM »
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But I did think the coverstock on the S&A was the same as the Absolute Inferno, not the Intense, but what do I know.....


They're the same coverstock: Activator+, a pearl resin that acts more like a particle pearl. just the surface preparation is slightly different, the Absolute being slightly more of a matte finish, while the Intense is more polished, IN BOX CONDITION. Both are easily modifiable.
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Kanazteck

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2005, 07:12:31 PM »
charlest ive had similar problems as you with mos newer equipment

TA, Onslaught i just could get them to work for me TA just rolled to early for me so with that core being weaker than the newer core i wont drill up the new stuff the only effective drill pattern i put on the onslaught was putting the mass bias in the track

my pap is 5 over 1/8 up very similar to yours
and in my opinion mo's new stuff is better for spinners and lower trackers

however the old morich stuff with weaker spin times
colossus i absolutely loved (gettin 2 more)
hercules just redrilled my friends is amazing
3d offset hi rev also rolled beautifully for me

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2005, 07:15:08 PM »
Sound like my Colossus supreme hahahaha no matter what i do it don't do anything! I think u got a blem.
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2005, 07:21:05 PM »
its understandable that he designs balls like that because if uve ever seen mo bowl himself...he spins the hell out of the ball same with his son

every spinner/lower tracker that starting throwing the new morich stuff has absolutely loved it
so i recommend every spinner/low tracker to try morich it really is designed for you

ill stick to his older stuff and symetrical equipment
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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2005, 07:31:00 PM »
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charlest ive had similar problems as you with mos newer equipment


I have no problem with newer equipment. My Track Solution PP Ex and my Legends Masterpiece and LM Kong and other balls work great. I think it is just the Vaguard core that may not be suitable to my delivery.

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TA, Onslaught i just could get them to work for me TA just rolled to early for me so with that core being weaker than the newer core i wont drill up the new stuff the only effective drill pattern i put on the onslaught was putting the mass bias in the track


I couldn't get a Hercules to wrok either; yet my Labyrinth was a great ball for me.

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my pap is 5 over 1/8 up very similar to yours
and in my opinion mo's new stuff is better for spinners and lower trackers

however the old morich stuff with weaker spin times
colossus i absolutely loved (gettin 2 more)
hercules just redrilled my friends is amazing
3d offset hi rev also rolled beautifully for me

Edited on 11/14/2005 8:06 PM


Funny, my Hammer Truck is also a great ball; incredible backend for an oiler.

Saw the Rack also guessed that people with small amounts of "up" in their PAP measurements may have trouble with the Vanguard core. Quite possible.

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2005, 08:53:31 PM »
I'm drilling up my TA today.

So far I've drilled a Sahara with MO and a Ravage.

Sahara was early roll and the Ravage I put mass bias almost on thumb.
Absolutely NO midlane.

I think that if one drills a Morich ball of this series and redrills...there is a chance that they important parts of the core are destroyed.

This TA is NIB... if it doesn't work after some surface tweaks(which are often necessary) I may try a WMB since I've seen this work great in my house!!! Also the TA works great in my house!

I'm drilling 4 1/2 (pin on top of and touching top corner of ring and mass bias out 2 inches from grip centerline.

I will be surprised if this does not work for me as I've seen this ball work really well for lots of guys!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I'll get back by end of the week with updates.
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chun914

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2005, 09:38:24 PM »
Charlest, i've the same PAP location, ball speed, rev rate, side roll as you.
May be i've little more tilt. Me also did not have a good experience with the shock and awe.Over/Under no matter how i throw it.

But the TA was a great ball for me.

Now working very well with lanemaster's equipment. Masterpiece,Yeah Baby, Guaranteed. And also RAMPAGE,
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2005, 05:20:05 AM »
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 Maybe its requrements are just beyond the level of my expertise. Certainly, others seem to be very happy with their S&As.


charlest, please!! come on!  If I can throw thow them ?!? ANYONE CAN!!

Sorry to hear the bad news!!  I liked mine very much, but just didn't "NEED" it in my bag right now...so I sold it to someone who could .  I love the reaction of mine.  Got thru the heads nice, with just enough midlane to cover my mistakes and depending on the backends...this thing could move!

Sent you a message re: Hercules

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These balls just do not match up very well to many many people. In my days around the pro shop many customers have come back and wanted another ball after drilling a Mo ball.


Interesting..honeslty.....because King of the mill drills HUNDREDS of Mo balls per season...HUNDREDS.....and his "happines" rate is near perfect!

Granted....Mo's stuff takes someone who knows what their doing!  It's been said a million times on this forum..."you can't just punch holes in a Mo ball".  BUT,...even then...you're going to get match-up issues...as with any ball maker.


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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2005, 05:31:57 AM »
chun914 wrote:
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Charlest, i've the same PAP location, ball speed, rev rate, side roll as you.
May be i've little more tilt. Me also did not have a good experience with the shock and awe.Over/Under no matter how i throw it.

But the TA was a great ball for me.

Now working very well with lanemaster's equipment. Masterpiece,Yeah Baby, Guaranteed. And also RAMPAGE,


I'm using a wide variety of balls right now: Lanemasters, Track, Brunswick, Columbia, Lane#1, Visionary, etc; some are older balls, some are newer. All are fine on some conditon.
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charlest

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2005, 05:41:29 AM »
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Sorry to hear the bad news!!  I liked mine very much, but just didn't "NEED" it in my bag right now...so I sold it to someone who could .  I love the reaction of mine.  Got thru the heads nice, with just enough midlane to cover my mistakes and depending on the backends...this thing could move!


On virtually every condition, mine was ALL midlane. Backend was a mild curve.

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Sent you a message re: Hercules


Haven't received a new PM from you.


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These balls just do not match up very well to many many people. In my days around the pro shop many customers have come back and wanted another ball after drilling a Mo ball.


Interesting..honeslty.....because King of the mill drills HUNDREDS of Mo balls per season...HUNDREDS.....and his "happines" rate is near perfect!

Granted....Mo's stuff takes someone who knows what their doing!  It's been said a million times on this forum..."you can't just punch holes in a Mo ball".  BUT,...even then...you're going to get match-up issues...as with any ball maker.

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Given the fact that I have bought 2 brand new ones, trying 5 different pin placements and 3 different MB placements, I am not sure that even kotm would have found a different drilling that would work for me on my conditons. The one time it did work well was with a high gloss polish.
 
In any case, I have sold the newer one with 2 drillings and won't even offer the 1st one for sale as it has 3 drillings (2 plugs of 3-4 holes each). It's basically a boat anchor now.

For reasons unknown I still get excellent results with my Intense Inferno with the same coverstock as the S&A and will be drilling up a Smoking Inferno to see what that does.

FYI there's a whole bunch of people using MoRich balls in my main house now with good results. I am not denigrating the balls; just documenting my travails. It just doesn't make sense for me to manipulate them any more for me, as it is just too time and money consuming with little positive results.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2005, 05:55:21 AM »
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FYI there's a whole bunch of people using MoRich balls in my main house now with good results. I am not denigrating the balls; just documenting my travails. It just doesn't make sense for me to manipulate them any more for me, as it is just too time and money consuming with little positive results.


Oh no!!!  Totally understood.....didn't take it that way at all,...and...it didnt' come across that way either!!

We all appreciate the comments and info! I'm sure I'm not speaking alone when I say "I read just about ANYTHING you have to say because of the knowledge that spews from thou!! "

I agree....enough is enough......again...sorry to hear all that!
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2005, 11:58:07 AM »
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Jeff, no disrespect to you but by your profile you only have 2 700's in your entire bowling career.   Your not exactly wacking them with your Mo Rich balls.  


First of all...no discrespect taken....even if the comment has NOTHING to do with anything.....but anyway...

My "career" started in 2001 .....I've basically bowled off an on my entire life but never got really into it until the fall of 01.

Therefore....I'll take my 2 7's.

Who said I WAS whacking them w/ my Morich balls?!? I didn't? Last Thursday I had a nice 278, ....but I'm below average as of now.  Remember STR, you should know this...regardless of your ball manufacturer affiliation, or like...it's the same thing...."it's not the arrow,...it's the indian"!  And in my case...I'm a hack!  Is that a good enough explanation for you?


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I understand your love for the afro puff wonder , but IMHO there is so much more knowledge to be learned from Rick Benoit instead of Mo ho ho..

Benoit is the true guru of "bowling"


Love for Mo ?!  Will you please show me where I have this affinity for Mo?!

I like his equipment...and I probably have one of the best ball drillers in the country!!! I'm a lucky guy!!  But....love for Mo ?!?!?!? [rolleyes]


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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2005, 12:03:54 PM »
Yesterday a person at my alley throwed a 300 with the TS&A.
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Re: Shock and Awe: final dismissal
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2005, 12:07:33 PM »
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And in my case...I'm a hack!  


Me too Revs.  Join the club!

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