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LyalC52

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Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:20:42 PM »
USBC's FB page is reporting the Jackal and Carnage have been removed from the approved equipment list. I've been trying to get onto Bowl.com to read the article, but their site is down.

Anyone know why?
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tommyboy74

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2016, 05:23:10 PM »
I was just about to pull the trigger on getting a Carnage too...
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Snakster

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2016, 05:25:37 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on March 15, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: 12XSECH on March 15, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
TKK...do we have to get the new new jackal or is it ball of choice?
I'm hearing Brunswick and Storm voiced concerns over the ball forcing USBC to sample the cores.
This doesn't surprise me even a little bit. Especially with the two big PBA wins.
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sfac1986

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2016, 05:30:11 PM »
So sad just drilled my carnage
That's ok if there's a replacement come out soon ::)
Motiv just need to show up their good services
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dudester300

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2016, 05:33:06 PM »
bring out a new jackal!!!!!   i can wait...
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ThomasBowling

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2016, 05:48:05 PM »
I was thinking of getting a Carnage drilled by Tore Torgersen at the end of the summer break if he were to come to my hometown. (I don't play any league or tournaments during summer break).
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WOWZERS

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2016, 06:49:14 PM »
Can't conduct a test on EVERY single Jackal/Jackal Carnage produced. USBC doesn't know if this is limited or from every batch.

Imagine if 10,000 combined Jackals were produced. How would the USBC handle determining which ones were legal and which ones were not? Is the USBC going to send folks out to every bowling alley? Is the USBC going to ask that everyone send Jackals to them to be tested? What if they (USBC) ship your ball out to someone else and vice versa. How would you ever get your ball back?

Too many logistical nightmares. For the USBC to pull the plug, there must have been a significant number of bad balls and not just a handful.
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ThomasBowling

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2016, 06:51:17 PM »
I've looked at a few heavy oil balls now, most of them have a diff of 0.54-56.
The Scandal that Hammer says is the most hooking ball has 0.55 diff.

Diff has to do with hook potential right?
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WOWZERS

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2016, 06:56:12 PM »
Diff is how strong a core is. Surface is still king, but for a ball to work on heavy oil, you need a strong core, which is represented by lower RGs/Higher Diffs. High RGs mean the ball will lope more before the core starts to roll, and would anyone use the Dart core (diff of .015) on a heavy oil pattern? Even paired with a heavy load particle cover, the core will not face up well enough on longer patterns or patterns with more volume.

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ThomasBowling

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2016, 07:24:31 PM »
Imo, USBC should test more Jackals and Carnages. Just to be sure that the rg is too high. Maybe Motiv's machines did a mistake on the balls that was tested :P

Machines like the kind that make the cores aren't perfect, far from it actually.
Well I'm guessing they're made with the machines I'm thinking of.
And if I'm correct, someone at Motiv might did a mistake in the coding.
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Retired:
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kidlost2000

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2016, 07:27:52 PM »
The overseas version is still approved……. So there's an option
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SVstar34

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2016, 07:29:21 PM »
Quote from: ThomasBowling on March 15, 2016, 07:24:31 PM
Imo, USBC should test more Jackals and Carnages. Just to be sure that the rg is too high. Maybe Motiv's machines did a mistake on the balls that was tested :P

USBC probably tested a lot of balls. Because they stated an average that was higher
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Walking E

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2016, 07:32:32 PM »
Quote from: WOWZERS on March 15, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
Can't conduct a test on EVERY single Jackal/Jackal Carnage produced. USBC doesn't know if this is limited or from every batch.

Imagine if 10,000 combined Jackals were produced. How would the USBC handle determining which ones were legal and which ones were not? Is the USBC going to send folks out to every bowling alley? Is the USBC going to ask that everyone send Jackals to them to be tested? What if they (USBC) ship your ball out to someone else and vice versa. How would you ever get your ball back?

Too many logistical nightmares. For the USBC to pull the plug, there must have been a significant number of bad balls and not just a handful.

There's no way to verify after drilling anyway. Once it's drilled the differential could be even higher, depending upon the layout.
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BW

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2016, 07:53:11 PM »
motivbowling.com added this under news:

Today the USBC announced that they have pulled approval of the Jackal and Jackal Carnage bowling balls due to non-conformance with current specifications. Recent spot checking in the marketplace showed that both balls had an average differential over the maximum limit of .060.
We are currently working on a form for our website that will allow bowlers to submit their Jackal or Jackal Carnage into a database to become eligible for a replacement ball.  We expect the form to be online March 23. While we will not be able to reimburse drilling fees, we will replace the bowling ball with a current model or a future release of the Jackal.  More details will be coming soon.
Thank you very much for your business.  We sincerely apologize.

Question: Will you be ok having to pay to have the new ball drilled?

For the record, my shop always drills defective ball replacements at no charge. But I have a hard time stomaching drilling 50+ jackyls for free.
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JamminJD

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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2016, 07:55:50 PM »
Interesting foul play?
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Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2016, 08:03:57 PM »
 Oh my goodness. Then all those Storm and Brunswick balls that won so many tournaments must also be ILLEGAL. As stated after drilling diff. must be really sky high above the max diff. I guess Storm has about or had 30% of U.S. sales. Somebody didn't like to lose sales to MOTIV.
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