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nadertime78

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Motiv Future
« on: March 15, 2016, 11:38:58 PM »
I didn't see this in the Jackal post, but my question is can Motiv survive this financially?

Been using just Motiv for over a year now and seeing any sort downward trend in the products or change in ownership would suck.



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BowlingforSoup

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2016, 04:26:39 PM »
Hey I was only throwing that out there.I can care less what they do.360 grit will do as much as 0.0601.But I am glad to see the USBC at least showing some gonads.
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ThomasBowling

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2016, 05:09:53 PM »
I don't care if they won't pay drilling fees, shipping and such. But I do want a replacement ball.
But I'm doubting that they'll send  anew ball to use here in Scandinavia. I live in Norway. Hoping they will prove me wrong.
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Most used:
Motiv Venom Shock (14)
DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
C300 Swerve (14)
Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

SVstar34

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2016, 05:11:32 PM »
Quote from: ThomasBowling on March 16, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
I don't care if they won't pay drilling fees, shipping and such. But I do want a replacement ball.
But I'm doubting that they'll send  anew ball to use here in Scandinavia. I live in Norway. Hoping they will prove me wrong.

You're probably not affected by this news unless you come bowl in the US or if anywhere in Europe adheres to the USBC list
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ThomasBowling

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2016, 05:25:34 PM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on March 16, 2016, 05:11:32 PM
Quote from: ThomasBowling on March 16, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
I don't care if they won't pay drilling fees, shipping and such. But I do want a replacement ball.
But I'm doubting that they'll send  anew ball to use here in Scandinavia. I live in Norway. Hoping they will prove me wrong.

You're probably not affected by this news unless you come bowl in the US or if anywhere in Europe adheres to the USBC list

I asked Norway Bowling Leage/Union/Federation (pick one that is the correct one) about if we could still use the ball in the league.
They said no. They're not sure what to do with people who were to use the ball in matches yet though, but I'm sure they'll figure out what happens to those who do over in the states soon enough.
I'm guessing that those guys either get kicked out of the match or get a 0 in every frame they used the ball in.
They'll probably go with 0 in the frames.

But yeah, no go for the balls in Norway too.
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Most used:
Motiv Venom Shock (14)
DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
C300 Swerve (14)
Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

SVstar34

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2016, 05:39:33 PM »
If the form Motiv posts next week doesn't include anything outside of the US, I would send an email to their customer service then
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ThomasBowling

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2016, 05:49:36 PM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on March 16, 2016, 05:39:33 PM
If the form Motiv posts next week doesn't include anything outside of the US, I would send an email to their customer service then

If getting a replacement is too much of a hassle, I won't bother.
My Scandal and Swerve are great balls, so I'll be fine without the Jackal.
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Most used:
Motiv Venom Shock (14)
DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
C300 Swerve (14)
Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

nextbowler

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2016, 09:55:52 PM »
For whatever it is worth--I believe that wowzers is basicly correct in all matters--
including the drilling fees.  The company supplied a defective product for the pro shop
to put holes,etc in.  They should pay for all drilling costs including any products that
went into the old drilling.  I believe that noone is asking for anything free, they have already spent the money involved in the original.
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Walking E

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2016, 10:22:05 PM »
At worst, offer the bowler a free Motiv polo or tote bag to make up for not covering the drilling.
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WOWZERS

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2016, 05:01:57 AM »
Thanks Next

Hey L3nn0n or whatever or name is. How about everytime you go buy a product that is defective you only get some of it back instead of a brand new one, or if services are required after receiving the product (as in this case you cannot use a ball without drilling it) you everytime have to dig into your pocket because of a company either trying to cut corners or whatever, but was still the company's fault. While you are at it keep telling everyone how the Top Gear core is not real as well.

What is wrong with the country today is we as a nation have become folks who allow companies and individuals to get away with stuff because it is easier to look the other way than to stand up for what is right. Status quo is easier than standing up for what is right. I have already read posts on here and other sites that if and when the person or company is outed for turning in Motiv is named, that company is going to be boycotted.

WHY? Because the person or company did the right thing in saying something that was found to be against the rules that EVERYONE is supposed to abide by?

Motiv supplied a defective product that did not conform to the specifications required by the sanctioning body and sold the ball under the idea and premise the ball would be sanctioned forever (read the box) prior to any consumer purchasing the product. Motiv needs to exchange the non-conforming product with a replacement.

I do not want anything for free. I already paid to have a ball drilled in my bag for sanctioned competition...
 
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tkkshop

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2016, 06:45:51 AM »
Quote from: WOWZERS on March 17, 2016, 05:01:57 AM
Thanks Next

Hey L3nn0n or whatever or name is. How about everytime you go buy a product that is defective you only get some of it back instead of a brand new one, or if services are required after receiving the product (as in this case you cannot use a ball without drilling it) you everytime have to dig into your pocket because of a company either trying to cut corners or whatever, but was still the company's fault. While you are at it keep telling everyone how the Top Gear core is not real as well.

What is wrong with the country today is we as a nation have become folks who allow companies and individuals to get away with stuff because it is easier to look the other way than to stand up for what is right. Status quo is easier than standing up for what is right. I have already read posts on here and other sites that if and when the person or company is outed for turning in Motiv is named, that company is going to be boycotted.

WHY? Because the person or company did the right thing in saying something that was found to be against the rules that EVERYONE is supposed to abide by?

Motiv supplied a defective product that did not conform to the specifications required by the sanctioning body and sold the ball under the idea and premise the ball would be sanctioned forever (read the box) prior to any consumer purchasing the product. Motiv needs to exchange the non-conforming product with a replacement.

I do not want anything for free. I already paid to have a ball drilled in my bag for sanctioned competition...
a ball that you have used in competition already. As of 3/15, we are treating every Jackal/Carnage made as if they all cracked. Motiv is replacing the product that they sold you. Did Motiv sell you inserts and slug? Nope. Did they make you drill the ball? Nope.

Since you mentioned cars and warranties earlier, I'll help you out. You just bought a sports car. The car as is, is under warranty. As soon as you modify it, there goes the warranty on the parts you installed. So if you put an exhaust system on your car (drill the ball), these parts are no longer covered by your factory warranty. The stock parts, are though. So if you blow your motor (ball cracks), it's replaced as long as your after market parts were not the reason as to why a factory part breaks. If your after market exhaust has a leak (worn out inserts, IT bottom broke, Switch Grip bottom breaks), you have to replace those parts, not the dealer.

So essentially, your car is being replaced by the dealer (Motiv giving you a BRAND NEW BALL for your used one). But those aftermarket parts you have installed (inserts, slug, IT, Switch Grip) are not covered by the factory warranty. They never have been. But for some reason, you are failing to comprehend this. So if you total that new sports car we were just talking about, insurance doesn't cover those aftermarket goodies. Just the CAR! So Wowzers, enjoy your new car. Sorry about the loss of your aftermarket parts.
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WOWZERS

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2016, 07:18:23 AM »
I bet the car conformed to all specs as stated and advertised. The ball did not.

Also, sorry that many others on here and the other bowling site agree with me (both posted and through PMs). This is not just me.

When you start to comprehend I would have never modified (drilled) a ball that did not conform to the specs the company selling it said it did, then you can start lecturing me about modifying anything.
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tkkshop

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2016, 07:58:01 AM »
Quote from: WOWZERS on March 17, 2016, 07:18:23 AM
I bet the car conformed to all specs as stated and advertised. The ball did not.

Also, sorry that many others on here and the other bowling site agree with me (both posted and through PMs). This is not just me.

When you start to comprehend I would have never modified (drilled) a ball that did not conform to the specs the company selling it said it did, then you can start lecturing me about modifying anything.
Many more are disagreeing with you, 3835. All this drama over less than 50 bucks. They are GIVING YOU A NEW BALL to replace a used ball. ITZP nailed it yesterday. Get of your soap box.
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WOWZERS

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2016, 08:26:41 AM »
I am entitled to my opinion, as are others (including you). Don't like it? Oh well, too bad. Just don't read what I or anyone that agrees with me writes..................... I am not forcing you to read it (nor do I have to read your crapola). Block me so you don't have to read what you don't agree with.

Last I checked, this is a free country with freedom of speech. I am using that right now to state how I feel about the situation with Motiv possibly not rebating drill fees for illegal balls.

Don't like it? Go move to China or North Korea.
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tkkshop

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2016, 08:45:33 AM »
Quote from: WOWZERS on March 17, 2016, 08:26:41 AM
I am entitled to my opinion, as are others (including you). Don't like it? Oh well, too bad. Just don't read what I or anyone that agrees with me writes..................... I am not forcing you to read it (nor do I have to read your crapola). Block me so you don't have to read what you don't agree with.

Last I checked, this is a free country with freedom of speech. I am using that right now to state how I feel about the situation with Motiv possibly not rebating drill fees for illegal balls.

Don't like it? Go move to China or North Korea.
and you call me a shill....
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WOWZERS

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2016, 09:00:14 AM »
If you want to continue to debate not liking what I post, why don't you take it to PM instead of jacking the thread more.

After the response below, I am done publicly responding to you or your posts.

If I recall, you railed on Radical (specifically Phil) no matter what was said. Phil could have said the sky was blue and you would have rebutted and tried to tear him down (sounds familiar to the attacks you have presented on me because of my thoughts on a drilling fee rebate). So yes, I called you a shill.

Personally, I like Motiv products. They have a long lifespan, hit and roll well, and are as good or better than any other company on the market today. The Venom Shock and Tag have been great for me. It is great they are going to replace the illegal balls. I think Motiv is great (overall) for the bowling industry. Small company making it big, manufactured in the USA, pumping significant amount of money into the PBA and other bowling arenas. The company has done a ton of goodwill. No debating that.

But a mistake is a mistake and the entire mistake must be fixed. The consumer is still hurt until the new ball is either drilled for free or there is a rebate of the drill fee on the original purchase of the illegal ball.  I will not change my opinion on this.

This is MY opinion and my opinion will not change, regardless of what you, Motiv, or anyone else may think.

Remember Erin Brokovich? Ever watch the movie or know the story? It took Erin to stand up when nobody else would to PG&E. Yeah that was criminal and this is not, but the process is the same. Someone has to stand up when nobody else will, even when others are trying to get you to not or do not agree with you.
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