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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: Impending Doom on July 18, 2015, 02:28:32 PM
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What are some must haves if you were going to put together a Motiv arsenal? I would imagine a Shock, Revolt, and Primal would be on the list, but what are the must haves? Tag Vs Panic?
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ABSOLUTELY THE PANIC!!!! the ball is amazing i have a tag as well but the panic is a must have by far
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BenchmRk forza
Ball down venom shock
Ball down panic
Dry not a big fan of tag over under for me.
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I have 3 tags and sold my Panic!
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Make sure you have a Venom Shock as it is a versatile benchmark ball that you need for the bag. A Covert Revolt also is one that I would recommend as it handles medium-heavy fresh patterns well.
But if you can still find a Sigma Sting, that is one hell of a ball and love using that as my benchmark. That Sigma core is flat out special. I'd even say anything with the Sigma core is worth it.
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I have 3 tags and sold my Panic!
So, here is a good chance to see if bowler style, release, preferred line, etc. is what makes the Tag vs Panic work for different bowlers.
Could VK and bowlin12xs both post styles? Rev dominant vs speed dominant? Up the outside or playing inside mostly? High rotation angle vs forward rolling? Just curious...thanks!
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im a rev dominate bowler rev rate is 480 and speed is 18 mph i play inside shot i have a high track. my tag is very over under and my panic is perfect i use it in multiple houses and have alot of success never had anything big with the tag
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im a rev dominate bowler rev rate is 480 and speed is 18 mph i play inside shot i have a high track. my tag is very over under and my panic is perfect i use it in multiple houses and have alot of success never had anything big with the tag
+1 im more rev dominate speed 16-18 high track . tag VERY over under and my panic way plays in med -dryishh
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Doom, say it ain't so!
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16mph. 26 tilt. 45-60 rotation. 350-375 revs. I didn't like ob surface on either the Tag or Panic. For me I found the Panic too smooth, and very condition specific. I played with multiple surfaces and had best luck at 500/4000 polished. But not strong enough in oil and too early on the burn. Panic was drilled 50x43/4x40 p3.
I have one tag at 4000 and other at 2000polished and they are a greatv1-2 punch and best ths balls I've ever owned. I only through once in a tourney on a 39 ft 3:1 ratio sport shot and the stronger drilled 4000 surface was money for me.
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Doom, say it ain't so!
Just looking around, but can't lie, I'm impressed with their lineup. Ever since the Storm thing, I can't say I've matched up well to their stronger covers.
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Primal Rage is a must, same as the Venom Shock. Those two are probably the best balls Motiv ever produced. If i have to add another one, I would say the Forza, it is so versatile! A great ball!
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Primal Rage is a must, same as the Venom Shock. Those two are probably the best balls Motiv ever produced. If i have to add another one, I would say the Forza, it is so versatile! A great ball!
I'll vouch for the Primal Rage. It is one of the best if not the best balls I have ever had. To go with it, I currently have the Octane and TAG of which I would buy neither if I had it to do over again. Both are so-so to ok at times on the conditions they are supposed to work on and bad at other times. The Rage is good all of the time on the conditions it is supposed to work on.
The next best ball under my Rage is the Thrash Frenzy of which I no longer throw since I moved up in weight. Like the Rage, it too was good all of the time on the conditions it was supposed to work on. I haven't been able to find another ball in the Motiv line-up of balls with similar specs that will do what my Thrash Frenzy did.
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So, based on the responses, it looks like for a lighter oil ball, the Panic may be best if you are looking for a smooth reaction (due to high revs and/or rotation angle). The Tag may be better if you want a little more sudden reaction. Sound good?
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Sounds good. Thinking I would try a Shock or Revolt first.
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Doom, spreading your wings out a little? Is something you're needing not in the 900 Global/AMF lineup?
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I'm not digging the new covers poured in Utah and Motiv has been catching my eye in the last couple of months. Also, the whole Pearl/hybrid/solid thing is getting old. They seem to be doing things very Storm like, and if I wanted to throw Storm, I would. Some of the new pieces are good, great even, but I'm not a Utah guy for a reason, mainly because I don't match up.
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Shock is a must in everyone's bag regardless of what manufacturer you through
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What are those running in the shops?
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fantastic ball!!! my area they are around 127 plus drilling
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Been watching this post for a couple of days
I use to be a 900 global guy back when the Lunatic with the crazy cone core was out. I'm not going back to them again. The Chemical-x and the boost look sweet.
I bought the Panic as my first Motiv ball, then the Shock. I rally like them a lot, talk about carry and being predictable for me.
Then I wanted something stronger, and bought the Primal Rage Remix, just rolled it an hour yesterday at clinic. I was going to go Tag and ball down.
Now I need a new spare ball. Artic Sniper perhaps
I can't offer a must have at the moment.
In hind sight, I'm wondering what the outcome would of been if I bought the Forza first, then the Forza Redline, and started with a pair of 2.50 / .051 balls instead of 2.48 / .034. I bought the Shocks as sort if a IQ Tour to play with.
ive seen the boost around and im quite impressed with it.
I started with the forza first and man it is D best ball i ever owned. oil no oil works on all patterns for me. i then got me a shock and it is a perfect step down for me after the forza.
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It seems to me from personal observation and anecdotal evidence that Motiv's two "must have" balls are the Venom Shock and the Primal Rage. The Sigma Sting is also up there, though personally I never liked the ball reactions that I saw with it (though the bowlers themselves loved it, so what do I know?).
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Where would the Sigma Sting fit when measured against the Forza and the Shock?
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I would say more angular than both and will fall in between in terms of strength.
It appears Motiv is trying to reproduce that spot in the lineup vacated by the Sigma Sting with the new Forza Redline. Only time will tell how successful it is.
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I'm not digging the new covers poured in Utah and Motiv has been catching my eye in the last couple of months. Also, the whole Pearl/hybrid/solid thing is getting old. They seem to be doing things very Storm like, and if I wanted to throw Storm, I would. Some of the new pieces are good, great even, but I'm not a Utah guy for a reason, mainly because I don't match up.
What do you mean the whole Pearl/Hybrid/Solid thing? Can you clarify?
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I'm not digging the new covers poured in Utah and Motiv has been catching my eye in the last couple of months. Also, the whole Pearl/hybrid/solid thing is getting old. They seem to be doing things very Storm like, and if I wanted to throw Storm, I would. Some of the new pieces are good, great even, but I'm not a Utah guy for a reason, mainly because I don't match up.
What do you mean the whole Pearl/Hybrid/Solid thing? Can you clarify?
I don't want to put words in Doom's mouth but my guess would be the seemingly endless need to put every core and cover out in a Pearl then Solid then Hybrid and act like they've reinvented the wheel.
I'm not familiar enough with 900 Global's line to say whether they do it too or not but as a storm/roto guy it's getting old.
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900 Global has not done the Solid/Hybrid/Pearl with the same cover/core at all this year.
Dream Big - 79 Alert Solid
Dream On - 74 Response Hybrid
Respect Pearl - 74 Response Pearl (2.52/0.047)
Respect - 79 Alert Hybrid (2.49/0.052)
Sorry you feel like you aren't matching up with our stuff lately Doom :(
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Tj, the current lineup has plenty of hits (Night Hawk, Boost Pearl, Respect, Black Ops, and more), and I've been on this ride a long time, and can't say I'm matching up with the Utah poured balls. Not saying they're bad, just having an issue matching up. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I'm not liking what I'm seeing. I used to be able to look in my bag and ball up and down with the utmost confidence. Not so much anymore.
I still want a Black Ops and Booyah, but not too excited when balls get replaced that covered a certain motion, and the old one was only 6 months old. This isn't Global exclusive by any means (almost everyone does it, and that's another thread), but by the time I feel a ball is worthy of getting a backup NIB, its hard to find them because they've been closed out. By the time I can sell a ball to someone, its out of the line. I'm not a pro shop operator anymore, but it stings when someone comes up to me and says "Hey, that ball rolls awesome! Where can I get one?" And I'm like "eBay". It's frustrating. I live in the same small town as a Motiv staffer, and I'm always out reppin the stuff. I'm shooting the lights out with a Network, or Night Hawk SE, or King Cobra, but to say " oh, you like my King Cobra? You can get the new reaction shape in the new Chemical X" is disheartening. You know that most of the time, if they liked the ball motion of ball a, and you say ball b is close to it, they're not going to go get ball b.
As far as the Pearl/hybrid/solid example, I know Global has some that for years (Breaks, Bountys, Banks), but I'm tired of the constant need to keep pushing out new equipment just to push it out. Once again, most companies do it, but I haven't been throwing most companies since the beginning.
Knowing me, I'll stay, just because I believe in the product. Just a few misses that have really disappointed me.
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Doom throws something besides 900 products
Rivers will run upstream
Cats will bark
Dogs will Meow
Miley Cyrus will start to wear clothes
What's the world coming too LOL ;D
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When you limit yourself to one brand you are only hurting yourself! Unless you are a staffer. (Lol). My bag is full of different balls from different companies. Global Moxie and Respect, Roto Grip Uproar and Wrecker, DV8 Rude Dude, Thug Unruly, Vandal, Brunswick Melee Jab, LT-48, Rhino Gold. AMF Incinerate and Incinerate pearl. And those are just the ones that I really throw right now. Bottom line is if something else sparks curiosity then give it a try. It will only help.
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Man, a guy can shop around, can't he??? ;)
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Hey Doom, I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide. Nothing wrong with checking out new brands every now and then. Motiv has been very successful for a lot of people lately. And for some, not as successful as they may have thought.
And this is how it goes a lot of times with all companies. One company may have a great ball come out, a great combination of core and cover along with hype and success on tour and the next thing you know, everyone has one and everyone loves it. So what happens after that? Well, the next ball that company releases will probably sell great.
But what happens over time is the hype eventually gets too big to maintain. No matter what, the company cannot compete with the hype even if subsequent balls are great balls.
Right now, Motiv is very popular. Many are going with them as their new brand. Nothing wrong with that. But eventually, the party will start to get stale and there will be someone else who comes along and starts generating hype and getting people to convert. Nature of life.
So go with Motiv if you want. Personally, I am looking forward for the Forza Redline. It will probably be a good ball, I just hope it is for me specifically.
Oh, and in case you cared, here is what I would do for a 3 ball arsenal from Motiv:
1. Primal Remix
2. Forza Redline
3. Venom Shock
I don't do a lot of tournaments so the extremes may not be needed as much as others. This list is a little different if you are looking at older releases like the Sigma Sting and others.
Good luck.
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When you limit yourself to one brand you are only hurting yourself! Unless you are a staffer. (Lol). My bag is full of different balls from different companies. Global Moxie and Respect, Roto Grip Uproar and Wrecker, DV8 Rude Dude, Thug Unruly, Vandal, Brunswick Melee Jab, LT-48, Rhino Gold. AMF Incinerate and Incinerate pearl. And those are just the ones that I really throw right now. Bottom line is if something else sparks curiosity then give it a try. It will only help.
This is great if you can afford the buy it, try it, buy it, try it approach. Keeps the bowling industry alive. For me, I want to know where the ball will fit before I buy it. Sticking with 1 company - especially Motiv - allows me to buy the ball that will fit where I want.
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When you limit yourself to one brand you are only hurting yourself! Unless you are a staffer. (Lol). My bag is full of different balls from different companies. Global Moxie and Respect, Roto Grip Uproar and Wrecker, DV8 Rude Dude, Thug Unruly, Vandal, Brunswick Melee Jab, LT-48, Rhino Gold. AMF Incinerate and Incinerate pearl. And those are just the ones that I really throw right now. Bottom line is if something else sparks curiosity then give it a try. It will only help.
This is great if you can afford the buy it, try it, buy it, try it approach. Keeps the bowling industry alive. For me, I want to know where the ball will fit before I buy it. Sticking with 1 company - especially Motiv - allows me to buy the ball that will fit where I want.
This is my belief also.
Not saying other companies don't make quality equipment, but knowing that a ball has a specific purpose in a lineup and will actually fit there is reassuring. I have had too many instances where I have had a variety of equipment, with the intent of them working together, have too much overlap and holes. If you can accomplish the complete lineup with many companies, then kudos to you.
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See, that's another thing. I'm a recently unemployed father of 6. The slow release schedule of Motiv along with what looks like some quality pieces makes that decision easy. Heck, they announced the Remix and Redline St the same time, but didn't release them together. That allows for excitement over a release.
Also, I've been brand specific the whole time I've been bowling. Ebonite from 93 to 02, Track/AMF from 02 to 07, and 900 Global since then. I've sampled other companies (Morich, Brunswick, Storm, Columbia, Hammer, Faball, etc) and while I found some gems in there, I didn't see anything that I could build upon. There's a point of being cohesive, and then there's overkill.
Sad part is, I'm super excited about the Unreal, Pure Adrenaline, Black Ops, and Booyah, but judging by history, I am not going to be able to try them due to the high turnover to push out the newest thing. :(
I hope it changes. My heart has been in San Antonio for over a decade!
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Doom
Welcome to Motiv! You won't be disappointed! I switched last season and couldn't be happier. Just like any manufacturer you won't love them all, but some are just incredible