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LuckyLefty

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QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« on: January 31, 2013, 03:08:46 PM »
I picked up a Red.  I thought it was a pure pearl like the QZ1.

Now I believe it isnstead a Hybrid.  Love my Rotogrip Rising Star, but do I really need another hybrid with almost the same specs?

It does not say Backdraft on it anywhere.

Just QZ2 Quadfire?  It's a hybrid right?

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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 05:51:48 PM »
I think the Backdraft just has QZ2 Quadfire on the side and doesn't have Backdraft! I believe it has Motiv on the other side! The Backdraft is black and red and is a hybrid!
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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 08:31:25 PM »
As far as I know -
The QZ2  Backdraft is the only hybrid among the QZ balls. It is still a QZ2, I believe because it has 2 colors.
The original Red QZ1 (2000 grit + polish) and Purple QZ1 (1000 grit + polish) were single color pearls.
The QZ2 was the first bi-color, blue and black, and was still all pearl. (4000 grit + polish).
Quadfire is the name of the core.
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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 09:08:35 PM »
Drat, I thought this Red QZ2 was the same as the Blue QZ2 but with a 2000 grit.

I find Hybrid and Pearl quite different.  Essentially I thought I WAS getting a smooth archy pearl like the QZ1 not the jumpy Hybrid Backdraft.

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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 05:21:00 AM »
Quote from: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2013, 09:08:35 PM
Drat, I thought this Red QZ2 was the same as the Blue QZ2 but with a 2000 grit.

I find Hybrid and Pearl quite different.  Essentially I thought I WAS getting a smooth archy pearl like the QZ1 not the jumpy Hybrid Backdraft.

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Luckylefty
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Hunh?
99 times out of a 100, the Hybrid is the smoother ball than the pearl solely because of the solid part of the coverstock. How did you make the hybrid flippier than the pearl?
Keep in mind the different STOCK grit levels under the polish of each of those balls!!!
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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 06:20:03 AM »
Charlest,

I agree with you on the theory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_l1JZVGljU

Maybe my wording is incorrect.  My house welcomes straightness.  I note the above video.

My goal was the smooth reaction of the smooth QZ1 pearl or a Roto Darkstar.  I have a powerful Rising Star.  My pearls allow me to go left (Sonic Boom) and get a smooth reaction once carrydown is put in place.  Not early when the shot acts like a sparky 35 footer!  My Rising Star forces me inside.

It looks like the QZ2 Backdraft is cut from the same great cloth.  I just don't need two that similar.

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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 06:25:35 AM »
I'd agree with Jeff on this one.  I have a QZ1 Red with a small VAL angle that can jump off the spot more than a QZ2 Pearl (blue) with a larger VAL angle that is quite rolly....both OOB surfaces.  Pics below both have P2 x holes.  I do not have the QZ2 Backdraft because I believe it would overlap some of this Motiv equipment and others I have gotten over time.

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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 06:33:01 AM »
LL--Watch Darren Andretta's vid comparing QZ2 Pearl and QZ2 Backdraft with layouts identified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOsrd0Db4o
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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 07:05:09 AM »
As the condition gets later and carry down is happening do you prefer pearl or hybrid?

I have mixed results.  Ie my strong cored Shred it(pin up) can handle it inside and my Sonic Boom can handle it outside.

My weaker cored Rising Star wants to play inside but does not like carrydown much at my center.

Are these similar to your observations.

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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 05:14:48 PM »
At least for me my Backdraft is much smoother off the spot than the Rising Star as it is stronger and reads earlier. My Rising Star was a step down  but worked better when i had to move in and give the pocket away some. However the Backdraft  is not as strong as my Shred-it
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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 07:05:48 PM »
Quote from: LuckyLefty on February 01, 2013, 07:05:09 AM
As the condition gets later and carry down is happening do you prefer pearl or hybrid?

I have mixed results.  Ie my strong cored Shred it(pin up) can handle it inside and my Sonic Boom can handle it outside.

My weaker cored Rising Star wants to play inside but does not like carrydown much at my center.

Are these similar to your observations.

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Luckylefty

The Rising Star does NOT have a weak core. The RS's core is similar to the one in the Dark Star but Roto-Grip turned it upside down. This is the exact same scenario when RG went from the Orbiter core of the Mercury to the Orbiter II core of the Neptune: they turned it upside down. When they did that, the new core had more length and great differential and became a stronger core. The Mercury was virtuallu a control ball while the Neptune was very flippy.

The same is true for the Photon core in the Dark Star and the Riot: it made those balls very even reacting. Roto-Grip turned it upside down and even though the Rising Star was a solid/pearl combo, it had a significantly stronger reaction with a very strong backend. The Shatter and the Wrecker use the same Neutron core as in the Rising Star and both have very string backends.
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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 10:25:48 PM »
Oh, I don't find the core weak.  With my slightly rev dominant style it is plenty strong with it's 0.042 diff.

It's just that I found the 0.05?  diff Shred it is  even stronger.

I do have a question though.  I note the core in the photon core balls have a more rounded look and slightly less powerful listed diff than the balls in the current HP2 ball line.  This new Neutron core has more angular lines and seems to have a less rounded look when making it's break towards the pocket with similar drillings.

My Dark Star is on it's way!  Yay!  What I was hoping that my QZ2 pearl was going to be also, smooth and rounded for a pearl.

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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2013, 06:11:17 AM »
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What I was hoping that my QZ2 pearl was going to be also, smooth and rounded for a pearl.

I am confused here.  You said you have a QZ2 Red colored ball which all assumed you meant QZ2 Backdraft?

The QZ2 Pearl is blue and black colored.  The QZ2 Pearl is pictured above.  It's very rounded ball motion with my stats. on house conditions.  Which ball do you have?  The hybrid should be much more rounded looking also (hybrid covers intrinsically for most are arc like) and the Quadfire cored balls for the most part are very rounded/arc like ball motion not skid flippy for most unless you drill them that way on lane conditions that make them that way with bowlers that have lots of axis rotation and lots of friction off the side and backend.

If you are giving up on Motiv before even trying them you are missing out on a great line of balls made in Muskgeon, MI.





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Re: QZ2 red....actually a Hybrid?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2013, 09:59:34 AM »
I received two balls from a staffer after they used them.

One the Ascent Solid, (similar to my Sonic X solid like it).  Another a ball listed as QZ2 and the description given to me was pearl.  When the ball showed up nowhere on it did it say Backdraft, so I believed it was possible it was it was not the Hybrid.

I had seen the QZ1 red pearl on our shot and loved its smooth rounded look and also the Rotogrip Dark Stars both of these when drilled with normal setups (no 7 inch out weightholes) look like a step up between my Sonic x Solid and the Sonic Boom with it's reaction enhancing weighthole.

I may drill the backdraft(I now discovered I have) pin up, to be a compliment to my pin down explosive Rotogrip Rising star.  Rounded you are right, fast reacting to friction, I think so.

As to comparing a Hybrid to a pearl with the same core, haven't done it yet, but my Shattered awaits.

Also to finalize my thoughts on this topic.  I have to confess, my Dark Star is on it's way! To replace this QZ2 non pearl.

My arsenal.  I love it.
Sonic X Solid(laying around an Ascent Solid and Sonic X pearl)
Rotogrip Rising Star
Roto Sonic Boom(waiting in the wings a Shatter)
Tropical Heat Indigo/Violet Solid
Brunswick Ulti Max  (40 foot shots and longer) above here
Icon 2 (other houses)
Track Spell (flat oil)
Columbia Reaction Roll(top hat heavy oil)


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