I remember reading about the Raptor Talon cover dying after using a certain cleaner on it.  There was also a method to get the ball back to normal and hooking again. I can not find this post.

Which cleaner did this? Does anyone know anything about this?

I experienced this with my Sigma Sting. I had about 60 games on it was one of my all time favorite balls.  I saw a slight loss of reaction (basically was leaving more flat 10s) with it so cleaned it with Hook-it and was hoping it'd be back to normal and it lost a good arrow of reaction after cleaning it and was never the same after that.  Tried several different things and was able to get some of the reaction back bUT it's not the same ball.  I've done little surfaces including the process to bring it back to oob surface, oil extractions etc. But nothing has brought it even close to the ball it was brand new. 

I contacted someone from motiv to try and get some advice on the situation and all I got was our balls don't die answer with the attitude essentially implying I was full of it or something so that was it for me with Motiv.

Quote from: J_w73 on November 11, 2015, 06:06:33 PM

I remember reading about the Raptor Talon cover dying after using a certain cleaner on it.  There was also a method to get the ball back to normal and hooking again. I can not find this post.

Which cleaner did this? Does anyone know anything about this?

If it were mine, I would try to get it back to it's original NIB surface which is 5000 Grit Laser Scan-Polished using the Motiv instructions in the link I am posting here and go from there ...

http://www.motivbowling.com/resources/factory-finish-guide.html

Every time I have resurfaced a Motiv ball, I have used these instructions and they have always worked without fail for me, anyhow.

Quote from: J_w73 on November 12, 2015, 12:54:08 PM

Quote from: tdub36tjt on November 12, 2015, 11:44:04 AM

I experienced this with my Sigma Sting. I had about 60 games on it was one of my all time favorite balls.  I saw a slight loss of reaction (basically was leaving more flat 10s) with it so cleaned it with Hook-it and was hoping it'd be back to normal and it lost a good arrow of reaction after cleaning it and was never the same after that.  Tried several different things and was able to get some of the reaction back bUT it's not the same ball.  I've done little surfaces including the process to bring it back to oob surface, oil extractions etc. But nothing has brought it even close to the ball it was brand new. 

I contacted someone from motiv to try and get some advice on the situation and all I got was our balls don't die answer with the attitude essentially implying I was full of it or something so that was it for me with Motiv.

Make sure that the cleaning didn't make the ball cover "too strong".  It could have made the ball roll out so it lost backend reaction.  Sometimes if a ball cover is too strong it will hook less and cover less boards and have no continuation.

That is why I like to get some games on a ball before I judge it. Can't tell what the ball is going to be until you get a bit of oil and track into the cover. 

I've tried it at just about every surface under the sun and its just not the same ball.  I was fully aware it may have been rolling out and first thing i did was take it back to box surface per motiv instructions.  I've never seen anything like it before.  I've worked in pro shops for almost 10 years cleaned equipment with hook it too many times to count and really couldn't even imagine what carotene would ever happen.