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tommyboy74

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Thinking of checking out Motiv
« on: April 14, 2014, 11:37:02 PM »
Hey everyone.  Even though I throw almost all Storm/Roto Grip right now, I've been impressed with what I've seen coming out of Motiv.  Because of this, I'm looking to replace up to 2 of my benchmark pieces and thinking of trying the brand.

Stats:  19-21mph speed, 380-410 rev rate, 4-1/4" PAP (straight across), tweener, low track

2 balls from Motiv that have looked impressive to me have been the Covert Revolt and the Sigma Sting.  I was looking to slot these in as potential replacements for my Outlaw and my Hy-Road/Nomad Dagger. 

For you guys throwing Motiv, and with having higher ball speed, what do you think of these choices?  Also, how have the covers held up?
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Current Ball Arsenal
Heavy:
MOTIV Jackal Legacy
MOTIV Mythic Jackal

Med-Heavy:
MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

Medium-Light
MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

 

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2014, 12:24:36 AM »
I was going to post a similar thing. I got rid of most of my storm stuff and I'm contemplating on trying Motiv one more time.  I'll see what the guys/gals say in response to your "Q"...
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Matt Fortney

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2014, 06:03:28 AM »
I'm lower speed than you at about 16.5-17, but you really can't go wrong with either ball, honestly. Revolt will give you more overall, but will definitely be a little earlier rolling. The sigma sting will be a little more skid-snappy, but less overall.

As far as longevity, I haven't had a single issue with Amy of my Motiv equipment, even after surface changes and a TON of games on them. I've taken the surface down, up, dull, back to polished on a lot of them and they all take surface changes very well.

You won't be disappointed regardless of which you go with. Both balls you mentioned are fantastic.

Feel free to let me know if you've got any other questions. I'd be glad to help.

Matt
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2014, 07:45:25 AM »
I would second this.  Motiv covers seem to be the most durable on the market right now. 

Quote from: Matt Fortney on April 15, 2014, 06:03:28 AM
I'm lower speed than you at about 16.5-17, but you really can't go wrong with either ball, honestly. Revolt will give you more overall, but will definitely be a little earlier rolling. The sigma sting will be a little more skid-snappy, but less overall.

As far as longevity, I haven't had a single issue with Amy of my Motiv equipment, even after surface changes and a TON of games on them. I've taken the surface down, up, dull, back to polished on a lot of them and they all take surface changes very well.

You won't be disappointed regardless of which you go with. Both balls you mentioned are fantastic.

Feel free to let me know if you've got any other questions. I'd be glad to help.

Matt
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2014, 07:54:35 AM »
I agree with Matt, Motiv makes good stuff.  The newer coverstocks do take surface changes better than some of the older stuff. 

As for a ball-to-ball comparison, I think the Motiv pieces may be a little stronger than the Roto/Storm pieces you are replacing, but not too much.  Enjoy your new bowling balls and good luck!!

Edit:  if anything, there have been a few occasions with separation between the logo and the ball.  This is one of the reasons I believe they went to a different material for their spare ball.  I haven't seen any recently so it appears they have worked that bug out.
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2014, 10:37:47 AM »
The Covert Revolt and Sting are excellent.  You could also add a Venom Shock to round out the arsenal.
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xrayjay

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2014, 10:56:49 AM »
Quote from: CPA on April 15, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
The Covert Revolt and Sting are excellent.  You could also add a Venom Shock to round out the arsenal.

So all three of these balls mentioned can be a good 3 ball set up for even a low rev medium speed storker too?

Note: sorry didn't mean to crash your post. I just hate to start a similar post and it might not get answered...
« Last Edit: April 15, 2014, 10:58:26 AM by xrayjay »
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2014, 01:01:51 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay on April 15, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: CPA on April 15, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
The Covert Revolt and Sting are excellent.  You could also add a Venom Shock to round out the arsenal.

So all three of these balls mentioned can be a good 3 ball set up for even a low rev medium speed storker too?

Note: sorry didn't mean to crash your post. I just hate to start a similar post and it might not get answered...

In my opinion, I would consider a different ball than the Venom Shock IF you have the Sting and Covert Revolt.  The Sting and Venom Shock seem to be close with maybe more separation with cover changes.  Perhaps a better option would be the Tribal if you like to go to a weaker pearl when the lanes break down or Primal Rage if you like to go stronger.
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tommyboy74

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2014, 11:00:27 PM »
Quote from: Matt Fortney on April 15, 2014, 06:03:28 AM
I'm lower speed than you at about 16.5-17, but you really can't go wrong with either ball, honestly. Revolt will give you more overall, but will definitely be a little earlier rolling. The sigma sting will be a little more skid-snappy, but less overall.

As far as longevity, I haven't had a single issue with Amy of my Motiv equipment, even after surface changes and a TON of games on them. I've taken the surface down, up, dull, back to polished on a lot of them and they all take surface changes very well.

You won't be disappointed regardless of which you go with. Both balls you mentioned are fantastic.

Feel free to let me know if you've got any other questions. I'd be glad to help.

Matt

Thanks for the feedback everyone.  Matt Fortney- I sent you a PM with some additional questions.
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Current Ball Arsenal
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MOTIV Jackal Legacy
MOTIV Mythic Jackal

Med-Heavy:
MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

Medium-Light
MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »
tommyboy74, i have been throwing nothing but the Primal Rage & the Sting for the past 2 months & they roll great! Have adjusted surface on both of them as well. I spoke with Matt in regards to the layouts for the Rage & Sting, so he will be very helpful.

Good luck!
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 01:46:22 PM »
After throwing DV8 this year and mixing a few hammers and track in the mix,  I was looking at switching to Roto/Storm this spring/Summer. However Motiv has cought my attention and will make the decision a lil tougher
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2014, 03:32:24 PM »
I'd very strongly suggest giving Motiv a shot.  I'm not on staff, completely unbiased opinion, but I feel that Motiv has the best equipment on the market by a decent margin.  I'd say Storm is closest, but every comparable Motiv ball has at least 2 or 3 reasons why its better.  An overall reason is that the coverstocks are more durable and take surface adjustments better.  The power/control/backend transition combination with all Motiv balls across the board is extremely well balanced, even moreso than Storm, and that's saying something. 

Quote from: Brian Green on April 16, 2014, 01:46:22 PM
After throwing DV8 this year and mixing a few hammers and track in the mix,  I was looking at switching to Roto/Storm this spring/Summer. However Motiv has cought my attention and will make the decision a lil tougher
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2014, 04:13:02 PM »
For all you guys who never owned the original Cruel, check out this link.

They only have 15# but you can't beat this deal!

http://www.bowling.com/products/motiv-cruel-c51-black-smoke-pearl.htm
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2014, 04:31:32 PM »
Quote from: Gizmo823 on April 16, 2014, 03:32:24 PM
I'd very strongly suggest giving Motiv a shot.  I'm not on staff, completely unbiased opinion, but I feel that Motiv has the best equipment on the market by a decent margin.  I'd say Storm is closest, but every comparable Motiv ball has at least 2 or 3 reasons why its better.  An overall reason is that the coverstocks are more durable and take surface adjustments better.  The power/control/backend transition combination with all Motiv balls across the board is extremely well balanced, even moreso than Storm, and that's saying something. 

Quote from: Brian Green on April 16, 2014, 01:46:22 PM
After throwing DV8 this year and mixing a few hammers and track in the mix,  I was looking at switching to Roto/Storm this spring/Summer. However Motiv has cought my attention and will make the decision a lil tougher

100% agree here, and want to add one more thing. I feel like Motiv offers the widest variety of shot shapes and strengths as well.

As an operator, the easiest thing to do is suggest a Motiv. I have 100% confidence that the customer will not be disappointed. Great equipment.

Matt
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Re: Thinking of checking out Motiv
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2014, 10:56:20 AM »
For me, the bottom line is I score better with Motiv balls. 
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