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Sir Bowl-A-Lot

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Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« on: January 17, 2005, 11:12:56 AM »
I have read different things on their websites (Legends and Lane Masters) and from their promotional materials.  What are the particle loads and factory (out of the box) finshes on the following Legends bowling balls:

The New Standard
Yeah Baby!
Big Kahuna

Legends & Lane Masters I thought were the same company, but if that were true, then why can't their websites and materials agree?
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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2005, 01:39:36 PM »
All of their balls come with a Matte Finish. Particle loads is that the Yeah Baby has the most, Then the New Standard just a little less, and the Big Kahuna has a Light Load to it.

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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 02:16:38 PM »
If the Yeah Baby has a heavier load of particles, than why does everyone I've talked to (including Bill from BuddiesProShop) say that The New Standard can handle more oil and hooks more than the Yeah Baby?
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D Scott Johnson

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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2005, 02:26:57 PM »
Sir Bowl-a-lot,
Not sure I can answer your question except by observation.  I have both the Yeah Baby and the New Standard and in box condition, the New Standard will outhook the Yeah Baby and have a little sharper backend on it.  I did not get a really good reaction out of the Yeah Baby until I polished the ball up some and then used it on fresher conditions.  In the oil, it just never seemed like it wanted to make a move, where the New Standard was wanting to move at the first hint of ligher oil.

I know the ratings for the two balls are that the Yeah Baby is supposed to hook more and be sharper on the back, that just simply has not been my experience.

Hope this helps.

Scott

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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 03:05:33 PM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=70070&ForumID=53&CategoryID=2

here is a topic that was discussed earlier that will hopefully answer your question or at least give you a little more insite.

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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 03:21:28 PM »
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http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=70070&ForumID=53&CategoryID=2

here is a topic that was discussed earlier that will hopefully answer your question or at least give you a little more insite.


Thanks but I have read through that topic several times especially since I am the one that started the post.

So does anyone know why Legends can't get their facts straight?  They say the Yeah Baby hooks more and has a heavier load of particles.  Yet so many have said that it hooks less than The New Standard and it hates the oil.  How is that?  I have also seen where Legends states that the out of box finish on these balls is a sheen.  Yet, my The New Standard is a dull finish.  I dodged the Yeah Baby bullet and bought a The New Standard as stated previously mainly because of everyone's reviews of both.  I do not know if this is a mistake on Legends part or if it is some marketing ploy, but I am thankful that there are so many bowlers like me that just like to help others.  I am getting TNS drilled Thursday to use in my Friday night mixed league.  I'll try to let y'all know what I find on Monday morning.
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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2005, 04:22:30 PM »
LOL. sorry didnt realise you started it.. once you drill it and bowl with it on a couple different shots you'll see what some of us mean. Legends/lane masters does have a bad way of keeping with the facts and changing from website to paper what the ball is like and stats about it. What you say about the yeah baby having a heavier load of particles but hates oil is absolutely true. I don't know how to explain it but it is. I'll try to come up with an example later on but i have to go to work now.

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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 04:26:10 PM »
Sir Bowls-a-lot,

I don't know whether this will confuse the issue or not.

D Scott Johnson,

My experience differs slightly from yours; maybe you can try what I tried.

I've had the New Standard (herein after called, NS) for a while. I can't use it in my leagues as it's far too strong. I've used it 4 or 5 times at a place that has plenty of oil. I go back and forth from its stock 800 grit matte (fairly smooth) finish) to a light polish via Legends own polish. A light application makes a bigger difference inlength with this ball than other balls in my experience. I like both but figure the 800 grit can handle (true, as far as I can tell) medium-heavy oil in an easy manner. The polish allows it to go down almost to medium oil levels. (I said, almost)

I recently got the Yeah Baby! (herein after called YB) and the Absolute Power (called the AP). The AP is technically a Lanemasters, not a Legends ball, but I liked its review in BTM better than the Legends equivalent, the SatisfaXion, as it seems to handle a wider range into the lighter oil territory than the SatisfaXion. (FYI as near as I can gather, Legends is the premium brand or level of the Lanemasters company; while the "Lanemasters" brand is a step down, but not in quality.)

So, I had the NS & the YB balls drilled identically with a 4"x5", pin next to ring finger, CG in grip center, both having a 3" pin-CG distance and one starting with 3 oz top weight, the other with 2 3/4 oz.

On this medium heavy oil pattern, using the same target and the same starting position (what they actually are makes no difference), the YB did go longer and hooked more, but left an incredible number of weak 10 pins. To say I was disappointed was an understatement. The tighter line allowed the NS to make the stronger turn and harder finish. I tried the tighter line with the YB but it hooked too much.

Then I tried the AP. Drilled a little stronger, same pin position, but CG at 3.5" from PAP. Box surface condition. Standing about 5 boards further towards the outside, hitting the same breakpoint, this ball just crushed the pocket. As hard as the NS hits, this was more hitting power. (part of this was the shorter CG position, I'm sure.) And both BTM and BJI said this ball was for medium lights to "as much as" medium oil patterns. Duh!

Anyway, back to the YB/NS controversy.
I was perplexed by the YB's 10 pins. Its famed power was just not there. So I tried a last ditch effort before heading home and trying a surface modification. I moved 5 boards deeper with my feet and tried a slightly stronger release with maybe 50 revs more but more axis tilt, as I normally do for a deeper line. Well, WOW!
Now, I saw what I had only heard about the YB! - POWER at the pins, like no body's business. CRUSH does not begin to describe what it did.

I guess it needs oil, for a good distance.

I can only guess what it might need if I had tilted the core's angle, like I did on the AP. A 4x4 or 3.5x3.5 might need even more oil.

Based on what I had read before doing this FIRST test (this was only the first), I had planned on polishing the YB!, after I had verified the differences between it and the NS. Now I am no longer sure. I still don't see the oil needed to use either of these in my league, and the AP is drilled to strongly. More tests to finalize this difference need to be done.

Still, I remain amazed and happy at all thre balls.

As of this moment intime, I consider the NS a control ball and a YB a ball to open up the lanes and to conquer carrydown. With the AP, I am still undecided, but also very happy, so far.



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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2005, 07:50:21 PM »
Charlest,

Nice to know you can just reach back and pull an extra 50 revs out of your "ARSE" when you need it .  Probably no confusion was caused, but perhaps a bit of depression and envy.  Keep us posted on the Absolute Power.  

As I have said before concerning Lanemasters, the marketing info sucks.  And has since day one.  Someone here in the forum disputed my claim that the Guaranteed does not contain diamond particles.  They said that a Lanemasters rep told them it did indeed contain diamond particles.  Well, I ended up purchasing a Guaranteed and the label reads Super Carbon!  It's the same cover material used on the Fantasy X Super Carbon (albeit a higher particle load).  I also have the New Standard which does have the diamond particle cover for comparison.  Besides, logically the Guaranteed would be a Legends brand like all the others that have this coverstock if it did.  Misinformed yet once again.  But a very good product.


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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2005, 08:40:14 PM »
I love control balls so hopefully The New Standard will help me out of the slump I'm currently in.
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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2005, 09:24:21 PM »
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I love control balls so hopefully The New Standard will help me out of the slump I'm currently in.
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Control ball, yes, with my drilling, for me, but still needs a good amount of oil, as far as I can see.
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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2005, 09:30:46 PM »
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Charlest,

Nice to know you can just reach back and pull an extra 50 revs out of your "ARSE" when you need it .



didn't say 500. 50 is going from 275 to 325 or 300 to 350. Not exactly cranker territory, just more.

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 Probably no confusion was caused, but perhaps a bit of depression and envy.



don't be. It's not that much; just seemed to make a difference.

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 Keep us posted on the Absolute Power.  



May be a while with winter setting in strongly hereabouts.

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As I have said before concerning Lanemasters, the marketing info sucks.  And has since day one.  Someone here in the forum disputed my claim that the Guaranteed does not contain diamond particles.  They said that a Lanemasters rep told them it did indeed contain diamond particles.  Well, I ended up purchasing a Guaranteed and the label reads Super Carbon!  It's the same cover material used on the Fantasy X Super Carbon (albeit a higher particle load).  I also have the New Standard which does have the diamond particle cover for comparison.  Besides, logically the Guaranteed would be a Legends brand like all the others that have this coverstock if it did.  Misinformed yet once again.  But a very good product.



Yes, they have not been the best at this, probably because they are growing so much as a company in the last year and need to find the right people for the right jobs. Not always an easy thing in this industry. Take a look at their Legends website, if you haven't yet had the chance.
http://www.legendsbowling.com/index1.php

I have talked with them on the phone and they do much better with that method than with email. Some people are good with email and some aren't.  Give them a call, if information is what you need.



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Re: Legends Balls Particle Loads & Factory Finishes?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 09:16:12 AM »
Just teasing you a bit charlest (about the revs).  Actually I have seen all of their website information.  I have also spoken with people there on various occasions.  BJI's review on the Guaranteed spoke of it as having a high load of diamond particles.  Yet the Lanemasters website did not mention it as having this coverstock.  So when I stated on another topic post that I did not believe the Guaranteed contained diamond particles, another forum member replyed and said it did.  He said he spoke with Lanemasters and they confirmed that it did.  I took his word for it, yet when I purchased the ball the label says Super Carbon on it.  So unfortunately talking to them does not neccesarily mean you will attain accurate information either.  As for e-mail, I once sent two to them that were never answered.  


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