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Necromancer

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151 - 160
« on: November 25, 2007, 05:31:05 AM »
Yeah I know the lane condition is hard.  Yeah I have bowled in PBA patterns and even harder patterns.  Yeah they are all better than me.  But let's get serious.  You can bowl better than 151 and 160 just throwing it straight.  I bet if WRW was on the show and had 100 games to bowl, he still wouldn't bowl no 160.  That was truly embarrassing for professional bowling today.  

The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2007, 05:04:00 PM »
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You have to have some aiming skills?


True, which Robert has being a pro. But to basically say that the only person on todays show that is an elite bowler is Robert is a joke. Lofting the ball over the left gutter isn't talent. It's a last resort.
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2007, 05:06:31 PM »
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He played the lanes as anybody would with his rev rate. I was thinking that Barnes could have done that. He is very capable of it. As far as "grip and rip isn't talent" your an idiot. He is former junior and adult team usa along with all those titles because of his talent.
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I didn't say Robert wasn't a talent. Look at what I said, I said grip it and rip it isn't talent. What I said has nothing to do with Robert. I responded to the first post that the only elite bowler on the show was Robert based on the fact he threw it over the left gutter in a grip it a rip it style.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2007, 05:11:55 PM »
Lofting the gutter cap today for Smith was the best way for him to win. Sure other guys can do it but Smith is ridiculously versatile and he can play the lanes a myriad of different ways.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2007, 07:22:00 PM »
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You have to have some aiming skills?


True, which Robert has being a pro. But to basically say that the only person on todays show that is an elite bowler is Robert is a joke. Lofting the ball over the left gutter isn't talent. It's a last resort.
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It wasn't a last resort, it's how he plays the lanes. You've got to be kidding me. With 550+ revs, throwing it up the right side would be a last resort. Lol.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2007, 07:24:59 PM »
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2007, 07:34:08 PM »
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It wasn't a last resort, it's how he plays the lanes. You've got to be kidding me. With 550+ revs, throwing it up the right side would be a last resort. Lol.


Like all the best bowlers, they play the lanes as the lanes want to be played.  If that means the right side, that's what he plays.  If that means 7th arrow, that's what he does.  He can play where he wants to.  550+ revs aren't necessarily a problem if you throw it 20+ mph, it's about matching your speed to your revs to the lanes.  Robert is good enough to do those things.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2007, 08:22:09 PM »
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LOL.... can you hit the 35 board over the gutter cap repeatedly and carry?  
"Talent = a special natural ability or aptitude" OR "Skill = is the learnt capacity or talent to carry out pre-determined results"


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It wasn't a last resort, it's how he plays the lanes. You've got to be kidding me. With 550+ revs, throwing it up the right side would be a last resort. Lol.


Again people I'm not knocking Robert Smith AT ALL. I respect his abilities and the fact he is able to find areas to play that not many others can. That being said, I made my comments directed at Necromancer and the remark "The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith." Robert gets more "respect" because he played the lanes this way and everyone else on the telecast is a bum? And the fact that Necromancer would make this comment about Chris Barnes:
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"I agree man. I used to support Barnes and considered him a top 3 or top 5 bowler. But I don't think he is choking. I just think he isn't that good anymore. He has been using the same game his whole career (mostly straight, fast, with lots of spin, and about 2 boards from the 20)."
Someone doesn't watch alot of bowling. Not good? Wow. Ask alot of bowlers if they would love to have the pro career that Barnes is having. It's not physical with Chris, just some weird mental issues.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2007, 08:29:55 PM »
I knew a topic like this would come up, and sure enough it has.  Chris Barnes right now I'm sure is going over all the adjustments he had in mind that he didn't make and may have worked.  Brad Angelo must have been shaking is head that he won with a 160 game, but as a previous poster said, if you put 160 on the board before he bowls, Barnes beats it everytime, but that isn't the way it works.  Angelo and Barnes were basing every decision they made off of what was happening throughout the match.  If one of them had started a double, or 3 bagger, that completely would have changed the others thought process.  A 160 shot in league is more often than not, missed spares.  Barnes' 151 was all splits and washouts, another difference.  It is fun to watch and imagine how we would have adjusted and played the lanes, but to think that Barnes or Angelo are dropping those scores everytime they get lost is absurd.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2007, 08:35:26 PM »
I only watched about 5 frames of this miserable transition game.

1.  Mika really found a shot outside with his Fury and would have been real dangerous if he went on.

2.  Chris Barnes really was throwing a beautiful shot(no mashes into the lane like he usually does when he loses) and I thought he needed a ball set up for backend and instead had a ball set up for midlane and seemed to not have much backend after a lot of midlane read.  He also had about as much bad luck as a person could have in five frames!  Luckily he is a pro and was able to get to 150!  

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2007, 08:43:54 PM »
it's easy to criticize someone else when you're at home watching on tv but these guys tried what they thought would work best for their games.
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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2007, 08:53:01 PM »
My first PBA cash was on Shark pattern.  It's not easy, but it does take the right touch and a high degree of accuracy.

I was a bit surprised by the scores on today's show.  Angelo was the beneficiary of the fact that Barnes sucks on TV lately, otherwise any other bowler would have sent him packing in the 3rd match.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2007, 09:06:16 PM »
Didn't Angelo shoot 265, 256?  Mika 233?
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2007, 09:30:03 PM »
What make sme sick, are those that come on here and say that someone on tour has no accuracy just because of his rev rate.  Those are the same people that have no idea just how accurate you have to be to be successful out on Tour.  For the record, I believe that Robert Smith has a US Open to his credit and made the show of another one about 2 or 3 years ago.  Granted he threw it bad on that show.  But, so did TJ and he ended up winning because he carried a couple brooklyns.  Robert is not spray and pray people.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2007, 09:48:28 PM »
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What make sme sick, are those that come on here and say that someone on tour has no accuracy just because of his rev rate.  Those are the same people that have no idea just how accurate you have to be to be successful out on Tour.  For the record, I believe that Robert Smith has a US Open to his credit and made the show of another one about 2 or 3 years ago.  Granted he threw it bad on that show.  But, so did TJ and he ended up winning because he carried a couple brooklyns.  Robert is not spray and pray people.
Absolutely.  You can take a look at where his ball landed after lofting it--he never missed his target at the arrows by more than a board the entire match basically, and it always landed at the same distance.  Incredible accuracy for such a high rev rate!
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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2007, 04:33:52 AM »
Just because I am watching from home doesn't make it 'illegal' for me to criticize.  I know how tough the lanes are but I am not a pro.  If these are truly the best of the best in the world, it would only be logical for them to change a gameplan.  For Barnes in particular to continue messing up with right lane with splits just shows no logical strategy.  Throw it straight or something.  In every other sport you don't see a team or a player continue using just one strategy when it isn't working.  In football you see a team go toward passing when the run isn't there.  In basketball you see a team put different players out on the court to match up better.  In golf you see Tiger Woods change a club to compensate for conditions.  It just seems like bowlers have this "only 12 frames" mentality that they have to stick with just 1 ball throughout the match and if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work.  It just makes no sense when there is so much on the line.

The reason I respect Robert Smith is because he is the most versatile out of all of them.  As for me not watching enough or whatever is also ignorant.  I have bowled with these people and have been to telecasts (not just sitting on the couch watching it).  Also, making the telecast 3 straight weeks is good but not great.  You don't win by just making it to the telecast.

And yes again, they are all better than me by far.  And yes again, I never said I'd do better.
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