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151 - 160
« on: November 25, 2007, 05:31:05 AM »
Yeah I know the lane condition is hard.  Yeah I have bowled in PBA patterns and even harder patterns.  Yeah they are all better than me.  But let's get serious.  You can bowl better than 151 and 160 just throwing it straight.  I bet if WRW was on the show and had 100 games to bowl, he still wouldn't bowl no 160.  That was truly embarrassing for professional bowling today.  

The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2007, 05:33:23 AM »
I can see bowling proprietors everywhere wincing as Maximum Bob cleared the heads with his deep inside line.  Ouch!!!  Especially those owners with old wood as kids balls everywhere will be double bouncing on the soft pines.  Geez!

As far as Robert being the most versatile I'd disagree.  Duke, WRW and a few others I think of as versatile.  Smith can be shut out lots of time when his high rev style doesn't match up. Great bowler none the less..wows the kids with his revs as pchee wowed the chicks with his.  

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2007, 05:51:52 AM »
The thing I didn't understand about Chrus Barnes yesterday was that he never even tried a ball change. (I still don't think that was a Rival even though pba.com says it was). But that is besides the point. If you move left and the ball doesn't come up and you aren't using a stronger piece (which it was obvious the ball he was using wasn't very strong), why wouldn't you try a stronger ball from that same line.

He had tried a line further to the right with no success the whole beginning of the match. I can see why he would continue with that ball on the right lane because he was striking SOME. But try a ball change on the left lane I thought it was fairly obvious he needed more ball and to get deeper on the left lane. That line he was playing just was too much over under making it an extremly tight line with little to no carry.

It appeared to me that he was being stubborn and just thought there was no way he was playing the wrong line and that he was just getting robbed. Maybe he made that decision because everyone says he overthinks it. The guy has made a great career on making great adjustments and making shots, but I think he doesn't trust himself while on TV. I think if he just trusted what he was thinking he would be much better off. I just have a hard time believing he made all the adjustments he thought might work. I bet he second guessed some adjustment ideas and ignored them when they very well might have worked. Just my opinion.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2007, 07:12:33 AM »
Hmm...  For those criticizing Smith I wonder about that.  I watched every shot he did (when the cameras weren't showing some stupid irrelevant angle) and it seemed like he was hitting that same spot on every single shot and his ball reaction looked great.  

I thought Angelo did great but I figured Smith would beat him unless he had a split problem.

Barnes...  Ugh.  I am starting to get tired of watching this guy sulk and whine.  

With Mika, damn he had a nice look once he figured it out.  I would have liked to have seen him vs. Smith.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2007, 07:38:37 AM »
The way people are talking its never a good show when the advantage is to the "Rob Smiths" of the tour and the straight players couldn't hit water if they fell outta boat.


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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2007, 07:41:11 AM »
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The way people are talking its never a good show when the advantage is to the "Rob Smiths" of the tour and the straight players couldn't hit water if they fell outta boat.

Straighter isn't always greater.



Well, look at what Mika had but it was too late.  Unfortunately, we will never know what would have happened if Mika would have gotten there.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2007, 04:45:20 PM »
Since nobody is really defending Ritchie Allen, I would just like to throw something out there.  Ritchie could have bowled a 200 from where he was at by catching a string or a couple of doubles, but he was forced to move.  Angelo started with the front five, and Ritchie had poor carry.  That means he has to try and move to make his ball carry so that he could win the match.  This is why he got lost and shot 160.  Anyone who has ever moved to try and find carry knows how easy it is to lose the pocket, especially on a difficult pattern.

As for everyone else, you have to look at what they are trying to do.  When you are bowling for a title like that, you either need to out execute your opponents from the same area, or find a look they don't have.  Mika trying for the different look option since he has great control of loft and that is probably where he played much of the week, but he had to adjust his look and by then it was too late with Angelo bowling so well.  Chris Barnes could have gone in, but I don't think he could have gotten the same look as Angelo due to how Brad throws the ball, and he obviously didn't like his look from inside.  Plus, after seeing Mika figure out an outside shot, he probably felt there would be something out there for him to find, and this would also give him a different look against Robert Smith.  Unfortunately for him, it didn't pan out.  Smith likely decided after seeing two straight players struggle (except the later part of Mika's game) and with his rev rate and physical abilities, he should get in, but he should find a different part of the inside.  He did so, and guessed right.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2007, 04:52:43 PM »
You got to love all the lines about not being able to criticize because you have never been in their position! Haha!
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2007, 04:59:43 PM »
I think it's refreshing every now and then to see a brutal low scoring match by both bowlers. When it's like that, the game becomes a chess match and a thinking man's pattern opposed to only outscoring your opponent by racking a bunch of strikes in a row.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2007, 05:18:29 PM »
Necro,

You are right.  It is not "illegal" to criticize.  But, in todays world, when you do criticize someone, you almost tend to get more in return.  My remarks had to do with someone who mentioned on this topic, that "grip it and rip it is not talent".  IMO, you have to be physically talented in order to throw it the way he does.  He rips the bejesus out of it.  But, at the same time, he is in total control over his body and pretty solid at the line.  He does not fall over himself trying to get the rev rate.I made one remark about Eugene's "f" bomb and I got alot of crap for it.  It just happens I am afraid.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2007, 05:24:17 PM »
Everyone should know that sometimes the lanes with a fresh pattern start off playable, get difficult after a few games due to carry down and players pushing oil all over the place, and then, as the continue to transition, become easier and easier to play.

Not saying that this justifies a 150 or 160 from the elite players in the game, but I sure as H understand it.

By the way, my 10 year old son watched the match with me. He said he could have won that game.

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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2007, 08:41:32 PM »
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By the way, my 10 year old son watched the match with me. He said he could have won that game.


Yeah, I bet alot of hacks said the same thing!
I bowl with a ton of guys who just don't know what they don't know, and yet they flat out refuse bowl a PBA experience league to find out.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2007, 09:00:42 PM »
And don't forget, if I remember right, Smith didn't miss one single pin spare during the week - so he has 'some' accuracy.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2007, 01:02:56 PM »
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And don't forget, if I remember right, Smith didn't miss one single pin spare during the week - so he has 'some' accuracy.
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Yeah he was 45/45 during the week.  All these Smith haters just got skooled.
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Re: 151 - 160
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2007, 01:20:57 PM »
You have to base it off of more than 1 game on TV though. To be honest, I feel that Barnes is the most versatile of all the bowlers that were on the show. He ran into a bad game. It's not like Angelo beat him by 100 though. It's was just one of those lane transition games and in cases like that, you may feel like you can make smaller adjustments to grind out the win instead of making huge ball change or line moves.