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stopncrank

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1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« on: February 15, 2010, 11:39:27 PM »
Finally got to catch it on ESPN Classic last night, it was as impressive last night as it was watching it when it originally aired. A couple of things stood out to me, one was what a day that must have been for Bob Learn Jr.

I have never seen anyone come close to that performance since then, not only did he run the ladder, but every match came down to the 10th frame. To bowl a 300 in an arena setting is one thing, but to not have a let down afterwards was even more impressive to me, shooting 270 then 280 for 850 and the three game scoring record, then shooting 279 to win the title against Parker Bohn.

And how about those lanes, the backends looked like they were screaming. I wonder how much lane management came into play to have a shot like that, or if that was just the nature of those lanes because of the installation?

I miss those Arena style formats, i wish they could at least go back to that for the Major tournaments, the atmosphere of having 5,000 people watching bowlings best cant be topped. Whether you like those old
ABC telecasts or not, the excitement in this one show, combined with an incredible display of talent and luck by Learn will probably never be topped. Here''s a link to vids of the tournament: http://www.mrbowling300.com/pba/flagship.htm

What are some of you guys thoughts and memories about that tournament? As a side note, does anyone know if Bob still bowls leagues or tournaments?
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 08:37:18 AM »
I watched it too, other than a few high hit cave ins for Learn jr, no one missed the pocket.  the carry was f...ing unreal.  I dont think I saw a solid leave by any player in any match.  teh shot was obviously easy as all the guys were just killing it. and for learn jr to play basically the same line all 4 games with the same ball, would never happen it todays PBA.  In 1997 I think they changed the shot to a much tougher one on the PBA.  96 was so high scoring it was unreal.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 08:46:58 AM »
this was basically a pba telecast contested on a house shot. no disrespect towards the players is intended......it's what they had to shoot on.

bob learn,jr. was inspired by competing in his hometown.....he had the whole crowd rooting for him. what a feeling that must have been !

bob learn, jr., used two balls that day.....both were amf's new rpm swirl. the ball he used in match one had the pin right next to the ring finger. the ball he used in the other matches had the pin over the fingers.

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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 09:07:02 AM »
I took notice at the angles the balls were leaving the pin deck. Johhny Petraglia's ball was getting sideways on the back! Im pretty sure i was 18 when this show aired, and i had never seen so many strikes in one show, ever.

Im pretty sure it wasnt a house shot, but like i said earlier i wonder if the bowlers had time to manipulate the pattern, or if the nature of those installed lanes led to the high friction. The patterns back then were basically the same as now, just no names. Ive even heard Norm Duke say the basic pattern shapes of today have been that way for the last 15-20 years, just more volume now days.

Anyways, while im certainly glad we have a PBA to watch, i wonder if they could get back to these Arena settings, even if just for majors. I think it would be interesting to see how some of the younger guys out there now would handle the pressure of that many people watching a show live. Also, could you imagine PDW in an arena setting like that? It would be like watching WWE!
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 10:11:09 AM »
That was so much fun too watch again.  I remember watching the broadcast live that day.  Learn got every break, but he had the home crowd and his opponent pushing him in every game.  
Did anyone watch the next show that ESPN Classic had on?
The last ever broadcast of the PBA on ABC.  Came down to Walter Ray Williams Jr. and Pete Weber.  Looks like they were bowling on a Reverse Block.  I hated those.  Came down to the 9th and 10th where WRW makes 3 of the best shots I've ever seen him make.  Pete needs 2 in the 10th, but ball goes high leaving 3,6,10.  I was actually rooting for Pete, since his Dad won the first ever broadcast on ABC back in 1962, that would have been cool, but it wasn't meant to be.  It was kind of a sad day for the PBA.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 10:19:55 AM »
I didnt watch it last night but i still remember it well. Seeing Chris Schenkel wave goodbye, hearing him tear up you could tell how much he loved doing his job. People can say what they want to on here about how boring those shows were, but at least the powers that be back then had enough sense to hire someone who cared enough to learn the basic termnology of the sport.

Another tidbit about that show, it had a King of the Hill match first, with Ricky Ward. I cant remember who he bowled, but that Ricky Ward was tough as nails. I loved watching him bowl, he won more than a few of those KOH matches.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 10:20:41 AM »
One interesting note between then, 1996, and today, 2010: first prize has been reduced from $30,000 to $20,000 for a regular tour stop. Normally inflation over 14 years would double such a fee/prize ($60,000) if only to keep up with inflation. That also reflects how much we've lost.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 10:26:40 AM »
Wow thanks charlest, thats interesting. Sad really when you think about it. I think alot of the prize funds back then came from Bayer/Brunswick. Alot came from within the industry as well, i remember the Ebonite Challenge tournaments, think they ran in 96 or 97. Track sponsered tournaments back then too.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 10:41:04 AM »
Everytime I see that match, its even better than watching it last time. I like the excitement of the announcer and fans , players too. Great Show!

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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 09:39:40 AM »
It's a good thing for ESPN Classic, because pretty soon, that's the only place we'll be seeing PBA bowling.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 08:03:34 PM »
That is, hands down, the best telecast I've ever seen.  Whenever I want to be inspired, whenever I want to get totally pumped up for bowling, I pull that DVD out and watch it.  

The only time Learn had it easy was the second ball in the 10th frame agains Randy Pedersen (not PB3) for the title.  He beat Randy 279-258 and so he really only needed the first one to win.  The first game, he was going for the 300.  The next two games he needed all three to win by 1.

Stunning, absolutely stunning.

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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2010, 09:21:56 PM »
This show shows how the Pro's bowl when its blocked up (easy THS). 258 is low for the telecast. I bet they didn't show that Bob Learn was granted a "do over" after someone flashed (camera) during his approach against PB3 to win that match. As far as telecasts go it probably was the best ever and when you talk to him its still vivid so you know how much it meant to him. Still like watching it.

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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 09:53:37 PM »
I was lucky enough to be able to rub elbows with Bob Learn Jr. when I was on staff with Track. He's a great guy, and this day meant very much to him, and still does. I loved to just sit and listen to him talk about his tour days.
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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 07:28:26 AM »
quote:
I bet they didn't show that Bob Learn was granted a "do over" after someone flashed (camera) during his approach against PB3 to win that match.


I've seen both the original, unedited telecast and the ESPN Classic version that's been edited for time and they do show the do-over in the unabridged version.  They stopped bowling for several minutes while Learn argued his case.

In the edited version, I think the only spares you see are those by PB3, Mazza, Petraglia, and Pedersen.  You could easily watch the ESPN Classic show and believe that Learn threw 48/48.

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Re: 1996 Flagship Open on ESPN Classic....
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 01:43:10 PM »
What they don't show in this telecast is where the tournament was located: Eastway Lanes in Erie, PA. To me one of the most important stops in tour history. Miss the PBA not being in Erie.

Bob Learn was on fire in that telecast to say the least. With all that became some controversy. He missed a 10 pin against Parker Bohn I believe and they called interferance from a fan distraction I believe. I think they changed the rules after that sometime and this may have been the reason why. Parker would have won that match and Learn would have never got the chance to win the title.