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a_ak57

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A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« on: November 21, 2004, 04:05:42 AM »
That guy Rick Lawrence got some crazy breaks!  That one shot was even high for a brooklyn, and on another shot he really should have left the 6-7-10.

Too bad for walter, he has to wait for another day.

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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2004, 12:09:05 PM »
Ragnar has a good eye. He saw the same thing as I did. Or is it I saw the same thing he did...lol Also others such as jisker, Robert, Brunswick Lefty, Mike Austin and others saw the same thing.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2004, 12:09:14 PM »
iketown300,

2. WRW fouls - no call, no penalty.

Did you see that part of the show?? Just curious.. WRW did foul and he wasn't even prefessional enough to say he did..

I understand what you are saying but breaks are part of EVERY players games regardless if your a PBA member or not..
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2004, 12:09:40 PM »
This sounds like the same garbage that comes up when someone announces an honor score (cries of easy THS and hook in a box).  

EVeryone benefits from a break now and then, just like everyone suffers from breaks not gotten now and then, it just so happened that Rick got 2 pretty big ones against WRW while on TV.  He still threw a ton of shots that had nothing to do with luck, but instead were the direct result of using the correct ball, with the correct release, over the correct target with, with the proper speed.  

Angelo and WRW both had plenty of chances to do what Lawrence did, and for whatever reason, they didn't.  Why can't everyone just say good job Rick for outbowling his opponents instead of cr*pping all over his acomplishments?
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2004, 12:12:20 PM »
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I never said in any post that walter never got a break and if you actually check out another post that i did, i actually wrote about the same lucky break that walter go on the weak 10. But I don't think i can ever recall walter ray going through the nose twice to get strike ON TELEVISION. Can't say for matchplay or qualifying rounds of previous years. Like I said I can only speak for what i saw on television.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2004, 12:21:58 PM »
DanH78 and Brickguy221,

I could not have said it better.. I just don't see what the big deal is that he carried two lucky shots. He bowled well enough all week to make the show and bowled well enough on the show to win the title, so be happy for the guy instead.

WRW will get probably #41 before Lawrence gets #3, so just say congrats to the guy and move on..
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2004, 12:24:02 PM »
See I don't see it as 10 pins down is 10 pins down.  I like quality shots whether they carry or not.  Just my opinion.  As for the foul it was close for if he fouled or not but wouldn't the foul lights have went off if he did?  Also you say he is not professional enough to say that he fouled but have you ever seen a baseball player when he is batting and gets called a ball 4 but knows the ball went over the outside corner of the plate and the umpire made the wrong call?  Have you ever seen that happen?  I know i haven't.  I am not whining or anything that walter lost because that would be ridiculous.  I'm just trying to have some good conversation and playing the devil's advocate.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2004, 12:33:26 PM »
Iketown300,

Come on man, you bowl enough to know the foul lights don't always go off when you foul. Its called the "honor" system..

Also, comparing the baseball player taking ball 4 to this sutuation is not just. Its totally different..

Also, making quality shots is great, but nine times out of 10, thats not what wins the money!! Its the final score that counts in ALL sports and you know that..
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2004, 12:37:01 PM »
correct the foul lights when we bowl leagues don't always go off, but i would think that with a national pba tournament coming into town they would make sure that they are replaced with new ones and working properly.  I know breaks is a part of bowling and yes the final score is all that matters.  But jkiser, just curious why is it not the same to compare that to the baseball scenario?  I think it is a fair comparison, honesty is honesty no matter which way you slice it in my opinion.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2004, 12:47:28 PM »
Maybe the shot that Rick caried on the high hit where the 6-7-10 crumbled wasn't so lucky.  Ever think that stroker types like Rick carry higher hits because they don't have a ton of revs like other so called "pretty bowlers" would leave????  

The other one that crossed over....oh well that's bowling boys.  

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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2004, 01:32:55 PM »
Ok look guys, explain to me what i said that was so offensive and arrogant.  In case your thinking of things i said, here is my original post.

 
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That guy Rick Lawrence got some crazy breaks! That one shot was even high for a brooklyn, and on another shot he really should have left the 6-7-10.

Too bad for walter, he has to wait for another day.

GO angelo!

 

What is so offensive?  Would you agree that he got some crazy breaks?  Yes you would or else you have never seen a flush strike.  Did i say he sucked and WRW was God?  No.  Please explain to me what i said where there is such a need to have over 60 posts about it.

BTW, look at my second post.  I even said that he took advantage of those breaks, and then ran away to win it.  never said he sucked or that he is horrible and shouldn't be bowling.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2004, 01:37:05 PM »
a_ak57,

It wasn't what you said, its just all the talk after your original post about him getting the breaks, blah, blah, blah..

I agree, he did get the breaks but big deal, thats the way bowling anbd life is sometimes..


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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2004, 01:46:45 PM »
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See I don't see it as 10 pins down is 10 pins down. I like quality shots whether they carry or not


Ike, for what ever reason, either you don't get it or you don't want to get it. I repeat once again, style means nothing. The bottom line is how many pins went down. If style counted, people like Brian Voss, David Ozio, Patrick Allen, Parkert Bohn and many others would be in the finals all of the time. Unfortunately, if style counted, WRW would never be in the finals.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2004, 01:52:29 PM »
I might, barely, be able to dredge up some sympathy for Walter ("the Great") Williams, Jr. had he made some effort to change his carry.  Did he have other balls available?  I'd bet he did.  Nor did I notice any apparent change in release or line.  Seemed like the shot he was playing he had to cram it full into the hole to carry, and even he cannot make 1/8" adjustments at 60 feet.  

Four guys put themselves into position to win.  One guy won.  I'd guess he won by keeping the ball in play for the week, taking advantage of both his opponents problems and his gifts, and concerning himself with what he could control.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2004, 12:15:33 AM »
The rules don't say how, they say how many.  On this day Rick got more.  It doesn't matter if he throw 5 Brooklyns, he won fair and square.  I was not aware of the foul situation, so maybe he won with some odds against him???

Rick's game will never be considered pretty, but he repeats shots like a mother!  His mental game is terrific.  He is solid at the line, and at release point.  I've beat him some, but lost to him more.  (Don't know about head to head matches) He's a super nice guy, hard worker, and I guess the best compliment would be that he's a good Christian.  I'm not getting off on any religious tangent, I'm not a good Christian in my opinion, but I know one when I see one.

If WRW had gotten those same breaks, we wouldn't even be talking about this.  If Angelo or Couch had gotten and taken advantage of similar breaks, we wouldn't be talking about this.  Some of you are tearing Rick down, like HE TRIED TO carry those hits.  With WRW having been on TV more than anyone else, 145 times???, I guarantee he has had two similar breaks, it just has to have happened.  WRW would have taken them in a heart beat, and probably have been thankful (just like Rick).

In 1989 I won a PBA Regional in Albuquerque NM, on ABC TV affiliate.  For the title I bowled Todd Thompson, then of Vegas I think.  He was touring at that time.  Threw the ball awesome, stuck every shot, or should I say posted.  Perfect knee bend, follow through, etc, think he made a couple shows around that time.  Dick Ritger did the color for the show, he even commented about how great Todd threw the ball.  Commented how I fell off many of my shots, losing leverage.  (The approaches were very slick there, no humidity, being from Houston, I had a hard time with those approaches.)  I tripped the four once, and slow messengered the ten pin once.  I got the breaks that day.  Mr. Ritger even said, that's how it goes, sometimes you get the breaks and sometimes you don't.  My title was not lessened at all, Todd didn't whine, shook my hand and told me to come out on tour!

In about '98 I came in second in a regional in El Paso, TX.  I shot around 800 my last three games of match play to get to second place, to bowl Chris Barnes for the title.  The title match was on the same pair that I just finished bowling a 270 game.  I struck all 4 of my practice shots.  I WAS ON FIRE!!!  I KNEW I WAS GONNA WIN!!!  Started off with about 4 nine counts in a row, missing a 10 pin, Chris started the front 6-7.  He wins 24?-23?.  It wasn't as close as the score.  All of my shots were flush, but I didn't carry, I thought they were bad breaks.  But that doesn't lessent Chris' first PBA title.  I'm proud to say that I jump started his career!  LOL!  If I had beaten him, he might have went home forever!!  LOL!!!  

That's the way it goes sometimes.  WRW will get his titles, he will win the most ever, money and titles.  He is a great bowler.  He's pretty laid back, he doesn't have any ill will towards Rick, if he does, then he needs to grow up too, along with some others around here.

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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2004, 12:48:22 AM »
good points mike...when you see the names of WRW, Couch, and Angelo, you dont expect Lawrence to be the one left standing...but we have to accept the fact that he definitely belongs there.  if i remember correctly, didnt patrick healey lose to PA because PA crossed in the middle of a string and then went on to win the match(at the masters)?  its not like this doesnt happen, and granted, he(lawrence) did get two very good breaks...but it could have just as easily gone in the other direction.  what if one, or even a few, of WRW's light hits tripped out the weak ten(which i think did happen a few times)...its not like he was flushing every shot.  lawrence was hitting the pins harder, and looked to just have a better line to the pocket...WRW, for whatever reason, did not have a very good line, and refused to adjust and try something to get a better angle and carry.  i think every once in awhile its nice to see someone different win on tour.  especially with the exempt field, seeing someone like rick, or maybe even a mike edwards or brian kretzer, takes away from the redundancy.  some styles might not be the prettiest, but they can get the job done.
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