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Badger Patern
« on: November 11, 2013, 07:16:29 PM »
The sport league I'm in is using the Badger. According to the "book", I should play up 15 to 17 or left of 20 board. I'm right handed. I'm using a Defiant Soul, 4000 box finish. First week, I tried the book and it looked like the ball was wiggling in the mid lane and then backing up to the right. I made a lot of moving around and never found it and shot 466. The second week, I tried to point off the 10 board and shot better, 193. 192 and 163. In the middle of the 2nd game and the last game, the mid lane burnt up and the heads were very tight. I switched to a global 900 eagle, sanded to 1000. It was inconsistent. I visited a local pro shop and they recommended a ball drilled with the Rico layout. I want to try that, but they were busy and I did not have time to wait. I'm looking for suggestions on a ball, lay out and surface for this pattern. I had CATS done at Reno and my ball speed is 16.75 MPH and 375 RPM. I'm not sure how I classify my style, but I try to stay behind the ball and make a 1/4 turn at release. Please Help.

 

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 05:30:15 AM »
The pattern is 52 feet long.  4000 isn't nearly enough surface for this.  Take that ball down to at least 1000.  Don't expect your ball to go left in the back end.  Just try to get the ball into enough of a roll to carry.

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 08:31:00 AM »
The pattern is 52 feet long.  4000 isn't nearly enough surface for this.  Take that ball down to at least 1000.  Don't expect your ball to go left in the back end.  Just try to get the ball into enough of a roll to carry.

+1. The Badger Pattern is all about surface and shotmaking. With your speed and rpms, you shot be able to take a ball throw 800 or 1000 on and target 17ish at the breakpoint. Nothing you drill is going to give you a hockey stick reaction. The pattern isn't designed for it.
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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 08:46:38 AM »
Okay, I will try adding surface to the Soul and see where that goes. I'm baffled by the mid lane wiggle. It is a very bizzare look. I bowl on wednesday and will post results.

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2013, 08:59:11 AM »
What your seeing isn't wiggle, you ball is still in a skid.  You're probably used to bowling on something in the 40-42 foot range.  This is 10 feet longer.  Where you ball is usually picking up a roll on this pattern it is still in the oil.  You get 10 more feet of skid and only 8 feet of back end.  8 feet isn't enough for the ball to recover if projected right, away from the pocket.  If you are going to project the ball to the right, you need to start left of the pocket.

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2013, 12:08:42 PM »
I have only seen it once in a tourney but was successful on badger.  For the fresh I started with a pin up endless nightmare at 360 grit (I have a lot of tilt so you may not need quite as much scuff) crossing 20 to 15.  With pin up you can chase the pattern in a little bit and expect a little bit of recovery down lane.  I find pin downs to be too soft down the lane on really long oil resulting in 2-4-5's and flat 10's.  With the added surface you will both prevent your ball from wiggling and burn up a bit of a bump spot for later
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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 04:15:34 PM »
Hi Guys, Most of my equipment is pin down for sport conditions. I have a few older pin up balls I will sand and try out.

The first week I tried to play as straight up as possible. I saw another bowler having success playing left of the headpin. It did not work for me. Week 2, I tried to point from the right side, across the 10 board to 17. I was in the pocket most shots, but left weak 10 pins, 9 pins and 6-10 if high. Then the mid lane burned up and every thing went away.

I will try your suggestions and report back.

Thanks, Bob

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 08:51:19 AM »
Okay, here are the Wednesday results. Game 1, I targeted 15 and it was tight. Opened with a split, but made 3 consecutive spares after that. Had 2 more splits, but won game 162-136. Game 2, moved out side slightly to roll over 12. Had a very good look with swisher 7 pins stopping a potentail 8 bagger. Missed a 7 pin and 10 pin for a 203-136 win. The midlane was breaking down and I kept moving slightly left with feet and target. Ended up with a 180-201 loss, after missing easy spares in 9 and 10 frame. I sanded the Soul with 1,000 pad. I prepared other equipment the same way, but did not roll them. My partner and I decided to play the same area, as we should. We both benefitted from working together. He had 579 and opened 9 and 10 twice.

Thanks for the advice. It really helped.

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 04:00:06 PM »
Nice shooting that third week! Another thing to keep in mind here is to avoid the "this pattern should play here" mentality. Obviously, you can use things like pattern length minus 31 as a starting point; however, you have to keep in mind that patterns play differently in every house depending on the machine being used, conditioner being used, lane topography, etc. For instance, the house I bowl league in has a lot of built-in friction on the lane surface. As such, I know that I can usually afford to be a little bit outside of the recommended ranges on the fresh for each of the PBA patterns. I also know that the breakdown is going to be quick and dramatic, so big moves are usually required. What I'm getting at is the idea of keeping an open mind. It's good to have a concept in mind when you start, but don't get caught in the "I'm supposed to be playing here" mindset that some people fall into. Lastly, kudos on the notion of playing them together. That's a very under-appreciated concept! PBA patterns can open up and play much, much easier if people break them down in the same areas. That's why pros tend to get so ticked off when amateurs bowl PBA events and throw the ball from all over the place. When that happens, it can make it darn near impossible for anybody to score! The fact that you and your partner were smart enough to try to break it down together speaks highly of you. Nice work!

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Re: Badger Patern
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2013, 06:59:56 PM »
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. I took a few lessons with Missy Parkin. 1- My span was 1/16 long and reverse pitch was 1/4. We fixed the pitch to 1/2 and shortened the span. Missy showed me the correct way to tape the thumb and gave me a few things to work on to have a free arm swing. I sanded the defiant soul to 500 and started to watch where the lane play developed and worked that line. It is different each week. I have shot 195 to 230 in games 1 and 2 each week, staying clean. Game 3 has been a challenge. I have tried to shell down with weaker cover stocks. I finally tried an IQ tour pearl on the game 1 line and it worked. We have one week left, the position round. Next is Bear. Anyone played that yet?