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Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« on: July 02, 2012, 08:08:58 AM »
The 11th Frame: Changes for PBA Tour's 2012-13 season don't alter tough bottom line for players

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5192

 

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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 09:42:54 AM »
Great article Riggs.  Thanks for sharing.

Tough to stomach the new schedule for sure. . .maybe the regional schedule will suffice.

Bottom line I believe is without some really big $$$ from sponsors the US tour may never happen again.

I hope something changes in a positive way.  Never give up.

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 11:16:58 AM »
I agree 100%.  This is a great read.  It really puts the Tour into perspective.  When you now have to go OUTSIDE the United States to expand the schedule?  Instead of having a couple tournaments in various regions around the US, your destinations are now Vegas and foreign countries; that says ALOT.  Whats funny is that the Tour supposedly was holding a big bulk of the Tournaments in one spot (Vegas) to cut down on some expenses.  But, now they are heading to quite a few foreign countries?  I am sure those expenses are really cheap.  If these stops dont generate alot of cash, I could see the Tour folding in the next couple years simply because I dont see how alot of the bowlers out there can afford to travel to all those foreign countries.

Great article Riggs.  Thanks for sharing.

Tough to stomach the new schedule for sure. . .maybe the regional schedule will suffice.

Bottom line I believe is without some really big $$$ from sponsors the US tour may never happen again.

I hope something changes in a positive way.  Never give up.
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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 11:17:39 AM »
When people from work asked why I wasn't a professional bowler after they saw in a newspaper article that local product Sean Rash was the PBA Player of the Year, I asked if they saw his yearly earnings of $140,000.  Granted, that doesn't include his endorsements, but thats the best player in the World... He made $140,000 on the PBA Tour. Over 50% of it ($80,000) from one tournament, the TOC.  And it's a severe drop to 10th place in total money, which was $40,000.  And that's not to say I would be successful out there.  Never tried.  Doubt I ever will.  Don't need to try to satisfy my bowling desires.  The point is, people come into my office, see my bowling awards, hear about my bowling scores at the National Tournament and do what most uneducated people do when it comes to bowling... ASK WHY WE DON'T BOWL ON THE PRO TOUR.  The answer is normally very convaluted, but the premise of the discussion curculates around the amount of money to be made.

It's the #1 reason I don't go out and bowl any PBA events.  Even if I cash, I'm losing money.  Some of that can be attributed to living in Alaska, but the reward is not even remotely worth the risk unless you're nearly fully backed by other financial sources. The experience may not be duplicated anywhere else, but how much money are you willing to lose just so you can supplement your 9-5 with a couple thousand bucks here and there? 

The reality is, the US PBA Tour today is the Regional Tour.  And the World Bowling Tour makes a few stops in the United States. 

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 06:35:43 PM »
Even when the tour was at its high point, there never was enough money to entice anyone who had a halfway decent job to go on tour.  I went through the same thing you did for years.  When guys asked me that question more times than I can remember, I simply said that I didn't think I was one of the top ten bowlers in the world, but I made more money from my job than the 10th best bowler on tour did. 

No I am retired and I can ball for more in senior mega buck tournements than a senior pro can shoot for.  Sad indeed.

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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 07:12:09 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 08:42:09 PM »
While the PBA has poured tens of millions of dollars into the tour, they have also made it as hard as possible to incorporate new bowlers into tour. The regional tours are all centered around key areas instead of spread across the "region" making it hard for guys who arent in the region to travel and compete. And even if one were to travel, they'd have to win it or come close in order to turn a profit. The PBA has been so worried about anointing young stars and protecting the tour from amateurs that theyve left a bad taste in the mouth amateurs who dont mind paying the money to bowl a tour for the experience and might get hot and do well, make a show, or win.

The average amateur can make so much more money at mega buck tourneys and league, why donate your money to the pros to whom they are trying to keep on tour. We've had this discussion many time before on this site. You have to open the tour to everyone who qualifies and you have to travel. Travel builds popularity. Popularity gets sponsors. May not be a popular decision with the players but thats what needs to happen.
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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2012, 08:53:32 PM »
While the PBA has poured tens of millions of dollars into the tour, they have also made it as hard as possible to incorporate new bowlers into tour. The regional tours are all centered around key areas instead of spread across the "region" making it hard for guys who arent in the region to travel and compete. And even if one were to travel, they'd have to win it or come close in order to turn a profit. The PBA has been so worried about anointing young stars and protecting the tour from amateurs that theyve left a bad taste in the mouth amateurs who dont mind paying the money to bowl a tour for the experience and might get hot and do well, make a show, or win.

The average amateur can make so much more money at mega buck tourneys and league, why donate your money to the pros to whom they are trying to keep on tour. We've had this discussion many time before on this site. You have to open the tour to everyone who qualifies and you have to travel. Travel builds popularity. Popularity gets sponsors. May not be a popular decision with the players but thats what needs to happen.

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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 09:00:26 PM »
You wanna bowl the Tour -- not Regionals -- join the PBA. Tour now is open to all members. No mire exempt. And non-members have lots of opps. U want more join. 




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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2012, 09:02:17 PM »
Bowlings biggest issue is being a sport where non-professionals can make as much or more than pros.

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2012, 09:41:42 PM »
Good ole boys club??? Maybe,..... maybe. Doesnt change the fact that whether it be lumber liquidators, dennys, or lucky 13's motor oil (made that up), the PBA need sponsors and in order to do that, they need to build popularity. A move to a better time slot so as not to compete with the NFL or NBA on sundays or a day change in general wouldnt hurt. I dont know just spit balling ideas. Also doesnt change the fact the PBA is regressing and "outsourcing" the tour doesnt help. Atleast not getting sponsors in the states.
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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2012, 10:58:37 PM »
I have read every post and the article the post was about and no matter how you shake it, it boils down to one thing and that the sport as a whole is in trouble. I definitely think the TV time slot needs to move from competing with the NFL and the tour needs more US stops, more entries allowed without the strict exemptions, and less money spent on the finals being in arenas/stadiums/outside on the street etc. Put the finals back in the centers because that is where the entire tournament was held....why should the finals be any different. You never see the PGA tour change course for the final round?

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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2012, 11:03:44 PM »
Right now, the PBA is throwing poop against the wall, hoping something sticks. Great business model.

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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2012, 11:23:11 PM »
Right now, the PBA is throwing poop against the wall, hoping something sticks. Great business model.



I agree very much. Bowling is more popular in places like Japan ect then the U.S. by a long shot. Still there are a lot of youth bowlers on the rise thanks to high school bowling. Here is your new untapped market of fans/viewers. Why wouldnt you want to take the PBA Tour to the major U.S. cities like you once did and get these new viewers at your events. Let them be able to experience what fans of any other sport can see, the real product in person. It was a huge deal to me when I was a teenager and got into bowling and will be for many others.

It is really that simple. You have a growth in youth similar to what golf had, we see what the USGA did to take advantage of that is the USBC and the PBA smart enough to do the same???
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Re: Blunt talk from young PBA star on 2012-13 schedule
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2012, 11:35:41 PM »
Right now, the PBA is throwing poop against the wall, hoping something sticks. Great business model.



I agree very much. Bowling is more popular in places like Japan ect then the U.S. by a long shot. Still there are a lot of youth bowlers on the rise thanks to high school bowling. Here is your new untapped market of fans/viewers. Why wouldnt you want to take the PBA Tour to the major U.S. cities like you once did and get these new viewers at your events. Let them be able to experience what fans of any other sport can see, the real product in person. It was a huge deal to me when I was a teenager and got into bowling and will be for many others.

It is really that simple. You have a growth in youth similar to what golf had, we see what the USGA did to take advantage of that is the USBC and the PBA smart enough to do the same???

I have a great idea, lets hold a large portion of events in Las Vegas & others in Dubai, Qatar, Finland, and Japan. And for good measure, lets hold a few events at that junkyard Thunderbowl in Michigan so our fans think we care by having a stop in Americas heartland.

Oh, whats that? The PBA is already doing this? Umm............yeah.
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