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agroves

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« on: November 28, 2004, 10:07:22 AM »
Congrats to Jason, it looked much more comfortable this week than a few weeks ago.  He wasn't sweating bullets this week.  

Overall, I thought the show was pretty good.  I would have like to see someone from Okla. win, b/c its my home state.  But, Hurd winning is better than the lefty.  Speaking of the lefty, seems like he used up all his luck last week.  

Congrats to all the finalists, the show was good this week.  IMO, it has been the best thus far, I personally like the grindout shows better than the shoot-outs.

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2004, 06:09:29 PM »
I wouldn't put anyones name in the title if you can avoid it.  Unless you type spoilers in also but then people might still know he won.  There has been a lot of talk about watching what we put in the heading of a post.
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agroves

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 06:17:18 PM »
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I wouldn't put anyones name in the title if you can avoid it.  Unless you type spoilers in also but then people might still know he won.  There has been a lot of talk about watching what we put in the heading of a post.
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Done, but I don't see why it matters the show is over.  You can argue people haven't watched it yet, but that is bs.  If you don't want to know who won, then don't come to this forum until after you watch your tape.  just my thoughts...

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2004, 06:21:50 PM »
I'm not so sure about it being the best.  I'd rather watch people have a line, then watch DW miss the headpin several times and flop around like a fish on land.....Same with "the lefty", he flopped around too...
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 06:22:03 PM »
Agree with JPR about the TITLE!

I had a feeling about Jason this week .. seemed to be more relaxed .. glad to see that he finally clicked! Out of four finalist three were using AMF .. ever since I bought a USED TRIUMPH .. I've bought nothing but AMF .. their equipment is EXCELLENT!

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 06:25:44 PM »
well, not to be picky or anything, but wouldn't that mean you like Columbia's equipment joe?  I think i remember reading that AMF sold it's rights to columbia, who now produces all gear of AMF 300.  Not sure what my point is, but i guess that means you like columbia stuff in a way, too.
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JOE FALCO

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004, 06:32:15 PM »
I guess that's what it means .. haven't bought a bowling ball with a Columbia name since THE ICON. Also want to tell you that I don't remember seeing anything about AMF going to COLUMBIA .. unless it's been like that for a LONGggg time! Thanks for telling me .. I will seek more info on that!
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 06:33:37 PM »
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well, not to be picky or anything, but wouldn't that mean you like Columbia's equipment joe?  I think i remember reading that AMF sold it's rights to columbia, who now produces all gear of AMF 300.  Not sure what my point is, but i guess that means you like columbia stuff in a way, too.
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Why?

Think about if Columbia uses any of AMF300's cores? Probably not.
That would be enough to make Columbia's coverstocks react differently, but then, I also doubt if AMF300's covers are identical to Columbia's.
So, I'd suspect that their balls are fairly different one from the other.
Just like Track's balls are different Columbia and
Roto-Grip's balls are different from Storm's.

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004, 07:02:45 PM »
I could have swore that AMF was completely owned by columbia, not that they manufactured the AMF stuff....I don't know, i guess I was wrong.  Probably read it from somebody who didn't actually know.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004, 08:08:18 PM »
congrats to all the finalists and special congrats to jason hurd on winning his first singles title. of special note: it's probably been since the original angle era( early 1980's )that three(3)tv finalists used amf equipment on a pba telecast.

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2004, 10:09:55 AM »
Last time I looked, Columbia 300 license the AMF brand name.

Not that it matters much, but anyway...


AMF TO LICENSE BRAND NAME TO COLUMBIA
Agreement Covers Bowling Balls, Bags, and Other Consumer Products
Richmond, Virginia, May 5, 2003 - AMF Bowling Products, Inc. announced today that it has licensed the AMF brand to Columbia Industries, Inc. for the manufacturing and marketing of bowling balls, bags, pro shop accessories, and other bowling consumer products.

The agreement goes into effect on July 1, 2003. The length of the agreement is five years with an option for an additional five years based on performance achievements. Financial terms were not disclosed. From a corporate organizational standpoint, AMF Consumer Products will operate as a division of Columbia Industries, Inc.

"Columbia has been a great partner for AMF as an innovative, high-quality supplier who we think will continue making an excellent AMF-branded product and be able to support the brand in the way it deserves," said Ron Wood, General Manager of AMF's Consumer and Support Products Division. "There isn't enough margin in the ball business to be successful when you're not the manufacturer, especially since so much of the volume has shifted to the entry and mid-level price points. Our agreement should allow us to effectively exploit AMF's tremendous brand equity with the potential for profitability for both companies"

Mike Allbritton, President of Columbia 300, is equally enthusiastic about the prospects of success: "Our plans are to manufacture, market and support a full line of AMF-branded products, and to give the AMF-licensed division a lot of operating autonomy within our corporation. We're already looking at hiring a couple of Pros to help us with marketing, and we're exploring some customized product offerings for different geographic regions."

"We are also fully committed to our distributor network, and we've made the decision to sell our AMF products through distributors with a very competitive pricing structure," continued Allbritton. "Columbia's entire business culture is very much relationship-based which has worked to the advantage of all our business partners, from our employees to our vendors right through to our customers."

"The plan is to more fully develop the approximately 300 pro shops in AMF bowling centers as retail points, take advantage of the tremendous consumer reach of AMF centers, and optimize the international distribution network of AMF Bowling Products, " added Ron Wood. "At the end of the day, this agreement allows each company to focus on what it does best."

John Walker, Chief Operating Officer of AMF Bowling Products, believes the Columbia agreement is another demonstration that AMF is taking a new and more aggressive approach to the business: "We are absolutely committed to our mission of offering only high quality products at the right price and with the right service. I can't think of a better business partner than Columbia to help us achieve that goal in the consumer products area."

AMF Bowling Worldwide Inc. is the world's largest owner and operator of bowling centers and is also a leader in the manufacturing and marketing of bowling and billiards products. Additional information about AMF is available on the Internet at www.amf.com.

Located in San Antonio, Texas, Columbia 300 is the leading manufacturer, marketer and innovator of bowling balls, with distribution in all 50 states and approximately 30 countries internationally. Columbia maintains the most extensive research and development in the industry and is known as a quality and performance leader in both its bowling ball and accessories businesses.


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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2004, 12:36:52 PM »
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well, not to be picky or anything, but wouldn't that mean you like Columbia's equipment joe?  I think i remember reading that AMF sold it's rights to columbia, who now produces all gear of AMF 300.  Not sure what my point is, but i guess that means you like columbia stuff in a way, too.
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Why?

Think about if Columbia uses any of AMF300's cores? Probably not.
That would be enough to make Columbia's coverstocks react differently, but then, I also doubt if AMF300's covers are identical to Columbia's.
So, I'd suspect that their balls are fairly different one from the other.
Just like Track's balls are different Columbia and
Roto-Grip's balls are different from Storm's.

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Charlest, I hate to argue or disagree with you, since you are rarely if ever wrong, but AMF's ball manufacturing division was sold to C300 this past year. C300 makes them, sells them, designs them, and profits from them....



I know that AMF contracted for Columbia to design, manufacture and build AMF bowling balls. I don't know the details of the contract; I suspect it was not a "sale" per se. As for profit, of course, Columbia will profit from this, as they did when AMF designed them but used Columbia's coverstocks and their own cores.

NOTICE that the name says AMF!

The Maximum Velocity's core is strictly AMF's. It's a Victory & a Fusion Core.

Titan core and Cover. Yes, they belong to Columbia, but that core/cover combination doesn't. Justice Pearl, same thing.
Triumph and Triumph AMP's cores are strictly AMF's.

Inevitably there will be some ties.

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Track and Roto use other facilities, but are their own company. AMF 300 is owned/operated by C300 now.



Track is owned by Columbia and I cannot say for sure whose facilities they use, but I'd be VERY, VERY surrpised if those "factilities" were not owned by Columbia.

Same for Roto-Grip. I sincerely doubt if they have separate manufacturing facilities NOT owned by Storm.
 
Yes, Both Roto-Grip and Track design their own balls and may or may not use Columbia / Storm's coverstocks, but since they undoubtedly use Columbia's /Storm's chemical support company, they more than likely use some variation of their coverstocks. This was told to be by Roto-Grip personnel.

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2004, 12:41:43 PM »
Here's the AMF statement about the Columbia/AMF relationship:

"May 5, 2003 - Columbia Industries, Inc. confirmed today that it has been licensed by AMF Bowling Products to manufacture and market AMF bowling balls, bags, pro shop accessories and other bowling consumer products.

The agreement was signed May 5, 2003 and is effective July 1, 2003. The agreement was signed for five years with an additional five years based on performance achievements. Financial terms were not disclosed. AMF Consumer Products will operate as a division of Columbia Industries.

Columbia Industries, Inc. will be organizing a team of professional sales and marketing personnel to act autonomously in the sale of AMF branded consumer products. This management team, operating out of the San Antonio, Texas area, will assemble and carry out its own strategic business plan. One of the team's first duties will be to establish a global distribution network and outline a timetable for new product introductions.

"Our plans are to manufacture, market and support a full line of AMF-branded products," commented Mike Allbritton, president of Columbia Industries, Inc. "We will be totally committed to growing the AMF branded business with all the resources and experience of over 40 years in the manufacture and distribution of consumer products."

"We are also fully committed to our distributor network, so we've made the decision to utilize those distributors for the sale of AMF products," continued Allbritton. "Columbia's entire business culture is very much relationship-based which has worked to the advantage of all our business partners, from our employees to our vendors right through to our customers".

"Columbia has been a great partner for AMF as an innovative, high-quality supplier who we think will continue making an excellent AMF branded product and be able to support the brand in the way it deserves," said Ron Wood, General Manager of AMF's Consumer and Support Products Division. "We have no manufacturing capability, so this agreement should allow us to effectively exploit AMF's tremendous brand equity with the potential for profitability growth for both companies".


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