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DrBwlr15

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PBA Majors
« on: February 21, 2016, 10:59:20 AM »
Can someone explain to me why the hell the PBA has back to back to back majors? Can you not spread them out over 2 or three months like everyone else? It completely ruins the feel of a major tournament. Its ridiculous but then again its the PBA...
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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2016, 03:42:23 PM »
It almost seems like the people, who are trying to "fix" the USBC, are the same ones who are trying to "fix" the PBA.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2016, 07:35:11 PM »
Hard to call it a major when you don't have many minors.

Dave81644

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2016, 08:52:15 PM »
hard to call it a major when you average 240 for 40 games

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2016, 03:48:14 AM »
I guess it makes more sense from a business viewpoint. Lower running costs. Easier to attract the international stars = stronger tournament rosters = possibly higher ratings and earnings. 
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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2016, 04:02:11 AM »
hard to call it a major when you average 240 for 40 games
+1000000000. Looks like it is a houseshot for these guys. They didn't look that "tough". I am sure they were difficult and I would probably shoot very low on the TV pair. But I would like to see them a little more challenging for the pros.

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2016, 07:47:27 AM »
It looked like they had quite a bit of miss area on the pair. Several of the guys grimiest when they threw a bad ball, but it seemed to hold or peel back when needed to their surprise.

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2016, 06:35:33 PM »
I bowled a 4 game  tournament on this same 46ft pattern. With 6 regional pros and 20+ 225+avg bowlers, first place was a 206 avg for 4 games.

Bottom line, if you didn't have tour rev rate, or threw 500 grit 13 MPH, your ball was skating on ice for 50 feet with maybe 3-4 boards hook down lane if you're lucky.

They (the pros) know what they're doing and have the revrate and equipment to avg 240 on anything. Us mere mortals can't hit what they're bowling on to anywhere close the clip they get to. Get over it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2016, 08:32:38 PM »
I bowled a 4 game  tournament on this same 46ft pattern. With 6 regional pros and 20+ 225+avg bowlers, first place was a 206 avg for 4 games.

Bottom line, if you didn't have tour rev rate, or threw 500 grit 13 MPH, your ball was skating on ice for 50 feet with maybe 3-4 boards hook down lane if you're lucky.

They (the pros) know what they're doing and have the revrate and equipment to avg 240 on anything. Us mere mortals can't hit what they're bowling on to anywhere close the clip they get to. Get over it.

I disagree with your assessment.  Duke (5th), Pepe (6th) , Walter Ray Williams (13th) Bohn (18th), and Pluhowsky (24th) do not have what anyone would call "tour rev rates".  And from the looks of it on XtraFrame, they were not throwing 500 grit bowling balls.  Pepe was throwing a Storm Rocket during the early part of match play on Thursday if I remember correctly...and Norm ended up throwing a Hyper Cell Skid (which is not an oiler) on the show...

My theory as to why scores were so high is based on lane topography.  I think the underlying friction under the pattern was high enough and in the right spots (mostly on the leftside of the lane given the lefties success in the tournament) that it played easier than a "normally hard" sport shot.  In addition, from what I saw, the pin carry was excellent as the side boards were quite lively.  I also guess that where you bowled on that pattern, the lane topography was not conducive to high scores and that's why no one could hit it. 

Just some guesses...For all we know, maybe someone messed up and programmed a house shot into the machine and didn't tell anyone.  Highly unlikely, but who knows!  We're all just guessing....

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2016, 09:09:34 PM »
I bowled a 4 game  tournament on this same 46ft pattern. With 6 regional pros and 20+ 225+avg bowlers, first place was a 206 avg for 4 games.

Bottom line, if you didn't have tour rev rate, or threw 500 grit 13 MPH, your ball was skating on ice for 50 feet with maybe 3-4 boards hook down lane if you're lucky.

They (the pros) know what they're doing and have the revrate and equipment to avg 240 on anything. Us mere mortals can't hit what they're bowling on to anywhere close the clip they get to. Get over it.

I disagree with your assessment.  Duke (5th), Pepe (6th) , Walter Ray Williams (13th) Bohn (18th), and Pluhowsky (24th) do not have what anyone would call "tour rev rates".  And from the looks of it on XtraFrame, they were not throwing 500 grit bowling balls.  Pepe was throwing a Storm Rocket during the early part of match play on Thursday if I remember correctly...and Norm ended up throwing a Hyper Cell Skid (which is not an oiler) on the show...



They were pointing the ball at the 5 pin from their respective sides. I was watching the entire week. If you didn't have the revrate to get it to hook, you had to get the ball started right-to-left or left-to-right in Shannon's case. It takes an amazing amount of accuracy to do that over and over as you only have about a half-inch separating a flush strike from a 4 pin or a 2-8. You're talking 4 very accurate players. The league bowlers on this forum with the same low revrate won't have the accuracy to average anywhere near 200 on that pattern following tour transition.

Does that not make sense?

....probably not from someone guessing that the lane guy messed up and programmed a house shot. LOL, jokes.

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2016, 09:49:38 PM »
The league bowlers on this forum with the same low revrate won't have the accuracy to average anywhere near 200 on that pattern following tour transition.

Does that not make sense?

....probably not from someone guessing that the lane guy messed up and programmed a house shot. LOL, jokes.

You originally posted about regional pros not being able to average over 206 on the shot and now it's league bowlers with low rev rates not being able to avg anywhere near 200 on it?  A little more consistency in your posting please...stop spraying your response all over the place.  You're looking like a messageboard house hack...

Obviously everyone I mentioned is extremely accurate compared to any and all...however, I saw a lot of miss room this week.  There was a lot a ton of area on the left, regardless of how straight the left played.

Also, I was totally kidding about the lane guy messing up...but that clearly went over your head...

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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2016, 10:19:46 PM »
The league bowlers on this forum with the same low revrate won't have the accuracy to average anywhere near 200 on that pattern following tour transition.

Does that not make sense?

....probably not from someone guessing that the lane guy messed up and programmed a house shot. LOL, jokes.

You originally posted about regional pros not being able to average over 206 on the shot and now it's league bowlers with low rev rates not being able to avg anywhere near 200 on it?  A little more consistency in your posting please...stop spraying your response all over the place.  You're looking like a messageboard house hack...

Obviously everyone I mentioned is extremely accurate compared to any and all...however, I saw a lot of miss room this week.  There was a lot a ton of area on the left, regardless of how straight the left played.

Also, I was totally kidding about the lane guy messing up...but that clearly went over your head...

I'll let you slide on that since you clearly have no idea what I've accomplished in this industry. As far as the shot, I was clearly referring to the tournament I bowled locally with some spillover entries from the TAT here in Vegas that put out that same 46' Players Championship pattern. Some of the claims in this thread from some people who haven't thrown a single ball on the pattern, were utterly ridiculous, but I'm not in the business of changing people's minds. Especially those who will just never get it. "A lot of miss room", lol. Ok Eagle Eye.


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Re: PBA Majors
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2016, 06:00:35 PM »
I wouldn't say it takes an amazing amount of accuracy on those long conditions.  You certainly don't have to be tour caliber.  In addition the modern balls open up those long patterns pretty quickly. 

I love the patterns over 45 feet, and I am a 68 year old senior with a sub 300 rev rate.  In addition I don't use surface.  When I am sharp I can average close to 220 playing 3rd arrow on long patterns up to the badger.  The trick is learning how to make your ball hit by getting it into a roll that transitions at the proper place.  You cant be addicted to swing area on flat patterns, even shorter ones.