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302efi

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PBA...Wheres other bowlers ?
« on: May 07, 2008, 12:58:47 AM »
On the PBA tour, you have 60+ players that pretty much bowler every week of the season, but yet all you hear is the same ten players being talked about, mentioned in papers or in the "spotlight".

Why is this ?


Look at the summer doubles they did on TV last season. Same guys you hear about week in and week out.

When will the "other" PBA tour players be known of ??!

I think thats some of the reason that the tour is dropping off, you see and hear about the same 10 guys all the time.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 09:06:16 AM »
I think this is mainly because of the way the PBA is shown.
It is a tournament, and only the finals are shown, so typically only the best will be seen.

Whereas with other sports you see the different teams for the season, and then the best during the playoffs.  Even in the tennis, and golf tournaments the show more than just "the finals".  ALthough you don't see Golf or Tennis on every weekend because they take up to much air time.

They do need to make a change in the tour, but what that is I don't know.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 09:10:50 AM »
And is having the same group of people in the media a bad thing?  People like rivalries, people like simplicity, people like familiarity.  When a new face makes the TV show, some of the more casual fans will not respond well -- "who is that?  I don't care about him!" and they'll turn off the TV or change the channel.

There's 43 guys in every NASCAR race, but nobody cares about the guys who aren't consistent frontrunners.  There's over a dozen players on an NBA team, but nobody cares about the benchwarmer who plays garbage time if he's lucky.  People want to see the big names, they want to see the stars.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 09:24:44 AM »
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And is having the same group of people in the media a bad thing?  People like rivalries, people like simplicity, people like familiarity.  When a new face makes the TV show, some of the more casual fans will not respond well -- "who is that?  I don't care about him!" and they'll turn off the TV or change the channel.

There's 43 guys in every NASCAR race, but nobody cares about the guys who aren't consistent frontrunners.  There's over a dozen players on an NBA team, but nobody cares about the benchwarmer who plays garbage time if he's lucky.  People want to see the big names, they want to see the stars.


While this is true, people still like to cheer for the underdog.  I basketball, baseball etc you can do that, even in NASCAR you can do that.  You can cheer for the underdog in bowling because you never see him.  Even tennis and golf will show a clip of the underdog.  

Imagine turning your tv station and every station had Oprah or the view, or whatever daytime tv talkshow on all of the time becasue they were the #1 rated shows on thier respective stations.  It would get boring after a while.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 12:07:59 PM »
Take a look at the new USBC  mag that I got yesterday. Same people we all see all of the time. trying to make "bowling superstars"...goodluck with that.

Since most of the other players never make a show or people even know who they are, whats the point of them even bowling ?

They (The PBA), should just have their "superstars" bowl on Sundays in a different format. Only the ones that we hear about all the time.
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Re: PBA...Wheres other bowlers ?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 12:14:37 PM »
Maybe the same 10 are there all the time because they are that much better than the rest?

You have to earn your way on the show.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 12:16:03 PM »
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Maybe the same 10 are there all the time because they are that much better than the rest?

You have to earn your way on the show.
Exactly.  That's why they're also getting more attention and the PBA is focusing on them.  They're the names and faces the fans are going to see anyway.  Market them!  302efi, you're trying to make things more "fair," but also inadvertantly trying to hurt any marketability the PBA has.  You can't have it both ways.  People don't want to see nobodies on TV.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 12:17:50 PM »
Pinbuster ~ Thats crossed my mind as well, but don't you get tired of the same people over and over ?

I think they need to make some sort of 4-5 team PBA bowling. That would be awesome
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 12:19:31 PM »
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People don't want to see nobodies on TV.


So you just insulted all the other players that never made a show and people have not seen.

Good job !


I think that exactly the mentailty we need to get AWAY from !
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 12:32:21 PM »
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Maybe the same 10 are there all the time because they are that much better than the rest?

You have to earn your way on the show.
Exactly.  That's why they're also getting more attention and the PBA is focusing on them.  They're the names and faces the fans are going to see anyway.  Market them!  302efi, you're trying to make things more "fair," but also inadvertantly trying to hurt any marketability the PBA has.  You can't have it both ways.  People don't want to see nobodies on TV.


hmmmm I disagree, So would Vegas.  That where you get the underdog teams, and the cinderella teams.

I said it before Bowling needs to be a little more random.  Like football, you lnpw you are playing on "grass" today, but what happens if it is snowing, you have to play anyway, what if it is raining same thing.  If the pros didn't nkow the shot until the got there, and it randomly changed each round then there would be fewer dominate players.  Only the ones that consistanly cash on all of the patterns would rise, but you would also have more underdogs.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 12:35:00 PM »
I disagree.

Barnes, Walter Ray, Duke would dominate more on random patterns. Guys who play straighter.

Even if you favored a side certain bowlers would excell.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 12:37:42 PM »
Agreed. And the diversity in turn would increase interest from a more diverse group.

The PBA, unlike many other sports, can't seem to figure it out. Even BASS and the FLW have been able to market the sport of fishing to gain a loyal following and substantial sponsorhip.

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Maybe the same 10 are there all the time because they are that much better than the rest?

You have to earn your way on the show.
Exactly.  That's why they're also getting more attention and the PBA is focusing on them.  They're the names and faces the fans are going to see anyway.  Market them!  302efi, you're trying to make things more "fair," but also inadvertantly trying to hurt any marketability the PBA has.  You can't have it both ways.  People don't want to see nobodies on TV.


hmmmm I disagree, So would Vegas.  That where you get the underdog teams, and the cinderella teams.

I said it before Bowling needs to be a little more random.  Like football, you lnpw you are playing on "grass" today, but what happens if it is snowing, you have to play anyway, what if it is raining same thing.  If the pros didn't nkow the shot until the got there, and it randomly changed each round then there would be fewer dominate players.  Only the ones that consistanly cash on all of the patterns would rise, but you would also have more underdogs.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 12:43:55 PM »
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I disagree.

Barnes, Walter Ray, Duke would dominate more on random patterns. Guys who play straighter.

Even if you favored a side certain bowlers would excell.


That's my point.  Sure there would be those as mentioned, but I consider them the greats.  I am talking about eliminating the Always having bowler x excel on the Shark type senario.  If it is more random the bowler x's would fall off because when the pattern changes they would get beat.  The you might would see senarios like Walter Ray vs "The nobody" because "The nobody"  was able to stay close to bowler x on his patter, but when the pattern changed bowler x fell apart.

You would have more of the upset factor.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 01:50:42 PM »
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People don't want to see nobodies on TV.


So you just insulted all the other players that never made a show and people have not seen.

Good job !


I think that exactly the mentailty we need to get AWAY from !
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No, for this I'm just thinking like a regular Joe who watches the final match on Sunday, not as the avid bowling fan who follows the PBA closely and actually checks scores online throughout the week.  90% of people who watch PBA shows have no f'ing clue which bowlers are even exempt.  Joe Bowler who is watching a PBA telecast wants to see WRW, Duke, Barnes, and PDW.  He doesn't want to see Joe Ciccone, Dino Castillo, Mitch Beasley, or Jim Tomek Jr, no matter how good they really are.  I might like to watch them, but I'm also not the average viewer the PBA is trying to reach.

The difference between what we want to see in a nice, happy, shiny utopian world and what the average guy wants to see is the problem.  (For example, I like watching lower score matches every couple of weeks, where they really have to grind it out and make spares.  However, most people that watch only want to see the big hook and lots of strikes.)
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Re: PBA...Wheres other bowlers ?
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 09:54:03 PM »
in that case why not do away with the list of shots and layout a 40 or a 50 flat patterns that take the big hook away oil them with a bug sprayer and a squiggy and bring pure accuracy back or take away all there equipment and give them all a bunch of fab balls or gyros right. the thing i would really like to see is the 4 man top score for the 5th man on a stepladder match that they had earlier this year that way u get to see 8 bowlers on tv
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